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Bastiat wrote:
Chip .... did you actually see the PHM branding or are you just identifying the lyrics authoring with the PHM style. If so, I did author the lyrics for the first dozen or so Top Tunes discs (not the music) so if that's the case then they would be legitimate.

I never saw the PHM logo, I saw the Top Tunes logo.

The song is listed on ONLY 2 brands: PHM and Fasttrax (FTX) and NOT on Top Tunes (TT) and it was made in 2012. I know it was yours - just as I had done it dozens of times before - only the logo was changed.


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Do you remember the name of the song?


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Do you remember the name of the song?


No, but hum a few bars..


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Would that be anything like the 77th Hymn? You know him, him, F@#k him. :roll:


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Just had a long conversation with another KJ in town who says he pays an mIRC channel to download any and all karaoke music he wants and that it's all perfectly legal. Been doing it for years! And he feels he's completely covered because the venues he works in pay their BMI/ASCAP fees.

I had never heard of mIRC channels so I asked if it's legal. He said "Of course it’s legal. I signed up on this program 15 years ago. I get zips and MP3’s thru there. It’s basically a worldwide forum of KJ’s that search and share. Ya have to follow their strict guidelines, but it works, and I love it. If it exists, I can get it! If it doesn’t, I can sometimes make ‘em myself."

He offered to get me anything I wanted for $1 per song. He actually thinks the fees he pays to the channel pays the artists back. Is he right?

Another quote, "Also, what makes most karaoke songs easy to get, is they are recorded with a slightly different pitch or key or tempo, etc... so it’s not up to the artists what songs of theirs is available to be made karaoke..."

When I mentioned the mechanical license as the reason why not every song can be made for karaoke because this license is denied he said, "Yes, “mechanical”. So a karaoke song can be slightly altered to pass by without being in any violation."

Finally, his background, "I know how rights work. I worked in radio for 20 years, produced commercials, sang jingles. I'm not making money off the artists lyrics on the screen, I’m making money as an independent contractor providing a service. I pay fees, I pay taxes, and the bars I play at pay ascap/BMI."

Thoughts?

RebbecaB > Please do not believe what you posted here. This is Not true. IRC is just like a Torrent site. Do not fall for this crap... illegal downloading 100% if coming from IRC.


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Bastiat wrote:
Reread my post. I understand that all kinds of content is available through these channels and regardless as to whether or not there are criminal infractions, doesn't change the fact that it don't amount to a hill of beans if the source(s) can't be identified. Nor do I think that once the content is out there, that there's much chance that it can be removed. I certainly am not about to waste my resources on trying to locate them.


It's crap like this that will never stop. Too many... just from Searching 'IRC Karaoke" tons of channels pop up. eBay hard drive listings have slowed down... I'm seeing one or two new ad postings a week now.

I've already confirmed with Jim Harrington about the Complete Gem set is on all the channels a couple years back. It turned out the bit rate is of a lower quality set.

PHM/THM I also noticed were available in my IRC research a couple years back.

The only simple fix is to Sell "Pro KJ License to play (Manufacturer name here)

It's Win Win Win... regardless of what os out there. All you would need to keep track of is the Licenses (PER DEVICE) I will gladly pay $1000 for a KJ Pro DEVICE license along with $100/yr for maintenance. I'm sure many other KJ's would too.


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Bastiat wrote:
Reread my post. I understand that all kinds of content is available through these channels and regardless as to whether or not there are criminal infractions, doesn't change the fact that it don't amount to a hill of beans if the source(s) can't be identified. Nor do I think that once the content is out there, that there's much chance that it can be removed. I certainly am not about to waste my resources on trying to locate them.


It's crap like this that will never stop. Too many... just from Searching 'IRC Karaoke" tons of channels pop up. eBay hard drive listings have slowed down... I'm seeing one or two new ad postings a week now.

I've already confirmed with Jim Harrington about the Complete Gem set is on all the channels a couple years back. It turned out the bit rate is of a lower quality set.

PHM/THM I also noticed were available in my IRC research a couple years back.

The only simple fix is to Sell "Pro KJ License to play (Manufacturer name here)

It's Win Win Win... regardless of what os out there. All you would need to keep track of is the Licenses (PER DEVICE) I will gladly pay $1000 for a KJ Pro DEVICE license along with $100/yr for maintenance. I'm sure many other KJ's would too.

Speak for yourself. Everyone here knows that zero Karaoke song manufacturers are going to agree to take a cut of just the $1000 per device, they are going to want all of it so to use multiple brands, it's going to end up being that per device fee is going to be for each manufacturer and don't think that one manufacturer isn't going to try and put in a clause that you use only their brand. I for one won't pay that because I can't afford to pay that per manufacturer.

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Works for Microsoft. They buy up all kinds of small businesses in their competitive software market.

Companies like Pep can easily rename the "Help" License to "KJ Pro Device license" and charge whatever they want. I'm sure they can find 10,000 kj's out there who would participate in this program.

Heck even Stellar or Sybersound should do this.


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Stellar is out of business so I doubt they would consider it. Sybersound does just fine without something like that so I doubt they would consider it.

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The only simple fix is to Sell "Pro KJ License to play (Manufacturer name here)

There is no simple fix to combat piracy. Never has been and never will be. All past simple fix ideas have failed and this one is so dumb it isn't even worth mentioning as a simple fix. Then again, maybe it is the simple fix you are looking for. Based on your positions so far you appear to want the karaoke producers to love you for pennies on the dollar. This wold be a simple fix for that I suppose.


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Do you remember the name of the song?

Pm'd the info to you.


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Thanks .... got it.


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Rebecca, listen up! What your friend is doing is illegal, period! Contrary to how your friend wants to justify it, those file sharing sites are illegal. Your friend is a pirate. Please provide his info so we can report him to PEP.

There has never been one single manufacturer that has authorized it's tracks to be shared on line. Just ask PEP. And it's not just music and karaoke tracks. It's anything!

Do you really think that Adobe is OK with everyone sharing (stealing) Photoshop robbing them of thousands of dollars?

Again, there is no manufacturer that has ever allowed their software, music, videos, etc. to be shared for free on line.

So, if you won't report your friend, post the info so we can do it.

Are people that stupid to think that manufacturers create software so that it can be shared on line for free and not receive any compensation for it?

You should know better, Rebecca. And you should have dealt with your friend and not let him try to get over on you. I know that piracy is never going to go away and this is just how it is... But...

When you have a so called friend who is basically telling you he's a pirate, further helping to put an end to the profession that you work in, and choose to do nothing about it, then you're just as guilty as he is.

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Alan B wrote:
Please provide his info so we can report him to PEP.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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When you have a so called friend who is basically telling you he's a pirate, further helping to put an end to the profession that you work in, and choose to do nothing about it, then you're just as guilty as he is.

https://kjbill.com/
https://pep.rocks/

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Please provide his info so we can report him to PEP.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:


Yes, I know but it's better than doing nothing at all. At least you reported it and did your part. Now the balls in their court. If they choose to do nothing about it, so be it. But at least you tried.

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Let me just say, this guy is NOT my friend. He happens to work at one of the venues I work at as well. I argued with him for over an hour, trying to explain that he is buying illegally and when he told me I could buy from him for $1.00 per song, I declined.

I have never seen anyone get popped in Lincoln, Nebraska for having illegal music, so the piracy continues with just about every KJ in town. They all think that what they are doing is OK.


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In past years, I HAVE reported people who I have intimate knowledge of that are pirates and nothing has ever been done. What makes now any different?

This only came up again because one of the singers tried to convince me that this guy was just trying to do me a favor. If we all have great song selection it's a win, win for everyone. I flat out told the singer he's buying illegally and I'm not going to do what he's doing. No way, no how. Trying to explain IP law to a drunk guy at 2 AM is pretty daunting. Even I don't fully understand it. But I know going to a sharing site and buying from other KJs is illegal as hell.


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RebeccaB wrote:
Just had a long conversation with another KJ in town who says he pays an mIRC channel to download any and all karaoke music he wants and that it's all perfectly legal. Been doing it for years! And he feels he's completely covered because the venues he works in pay their BMI/ASCAP fees.

I had never heard of mIRC channels so I asked if it's legal. He said "Of course it’s legal. I signed up on this program 15 years ago. I get zips and MP3’s thru there. It’s basically a worldwide forum of KJ’s that search and share. Ya have to follow their strict guidelines, but it works, and I love it. If it exists, I can get it! If it doesn’t, I can sometimes make ‘em myself."

He offered to get me anything I wanted for $1 per song. He actually thinks the fees he pays to the channel pays the artists back. Is he right?

Another quote, "Also, what makes most karaoke songs easy to get, is they are recorded with a slightly different pitch or key or tempo, etc... so it’s not up to the artists what songs of theirs is available to be made karaoke..."

When I mentioned the mechanical license as the reason why not every song can be made for karaoke because this license is denied he said, "Yes, “mechanical”. So a karaoke song can be slightly altered to pass by without being in any violation."

Finally, his background, "I know how rights work. I worked in radio for 20 years, produced commercials, sang jingles. I'm not making money off the artists lyrics on the screen, I’m making money as an independent contractor providing a service. I pay fees, I pay taxes, and the bars I play at pay ascap/BMI."

Thoughts?


OK, here's how it actually works.
IRC, (Internet Relay Chat) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRC
is available from "Some" Internet Service Providers. Some ISPs do not allow IRC.
(Mine does, no extra charge, don't care)

If your ISP does not allow IRC, you can pay a third party a "Fee" to access their server data. Perhaps that's the FEE he claims was paid.
The data on IRC is uploaded as a "Share" in an effort to be "Cool" and not a scum sucking bottom dweller. (Failed)
There are other ways, (Copy/Paste) (Torrent), and if determined, TOR.
Yore Mileage Will Vary..


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To "Clarify" mIRC is the client software for IRC, Internet Relay Chat.


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