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 Post subject: Re: The Game's Afoot
PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:11 pm 
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I'll be honest here. For a place that makes any money, I would probably be willing to maybe do at the most a month's worth of shows free to show what I am capable of doing. After that I would either go a week away and then re-approach them at my minimum price, set just below what I really think that I am worth which from the beginning of my experience, I have always been laughed out of the door, told that I could be the best host out there and never get that rate. Probably the reason I have been willing to take what I got because I always felt that some pay was better than no pay.

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 Post subject: Re: The Game's Afoot
PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:09 pm 
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I'll be honest here. For a place that makes any money, I would probably be willing to maybe do at the most a month's worth of shows free to show what I am capable of doing. After that I would either go a week away and then re-approach them at my minimum price, set just below what I really think that I am worth which from the beginning of my experience, I have always been laughed out of the door, told that I could be the best host out there and never get that rate. Probably the reason I have been willing to take what I got because I always felt that some pay was better than no pay.

Danny, this is what happens when KJ's, such as Lone Ranger, decide to work for free or a very small amount of money. It's setting a precedent. It's letting bar owners know that karaoke is cheap entertainment and that hosts don't deserve to be paid a fair amount for their services.

Me and mrscott have been trying to get into LR's idiotic brain that by working for free would only be hurting KJ's and the industry as a whole. The repercussions are exactly what you describe... the bar owner laughed you out the door and said no matter how good you are, you ain't getting paid your going rate.

You can thank LR for contributing to this mentality that bar owners have. Remember, word gets around. Bar owners know each other. For example, a bar owner in Florida might have a friend in Connecticut that owns a bar... and they talk! And they find out how much each other is paying for karaoke.

It's very hard trying to get a bar owner to pay you $150 when he knows that other places are getting the entertainment very cheap or free. And whether you are providing Karaoke or DJ dance night, either way, you are still providing a service. And if people come out and spend money on food and drinks, the bar is profiting from your service.

The whole purpose of you being hired is to bring in customers and make the bar money, in which case, you should be fairly compensated. $150 is not too much to ask for and has become the going rate. But thanks to people like LR, it's getting harder to get that price, no matter how good you are.

LR is an idiot. What you describe is a result of what happens when you have people like LR hosting for free.... even though the bar is making money. That's just not right. He's hurting KJ's and making it nearly impossible to command a going rate. He's more concerned with his ego then fellow KJ's. He is another bad apple on the tree.

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The problem is that the president was already set before I even got started where I am.

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Alan how many times do I have to tell you that I'm not doing Karaoke shows, I'm DJ not KJ ! This is dancing not singing, you do know the difference don't you? That aside last night was a bit slower beginning, since this is the first Saturday regular show for the VFW. They usually rent their hall out on Saturday if they can, I'm just filling the gaps between their bookings. Fortunately their bookings are few a far between, I can let the dancers know ahead of time if I will be blacked out ahead of time. This lack of regular weekly show might be problematic going forward. You need to get over Alan that I'm competing with KJ's I'm not. What I am trying to do is broaden the customer base by appealing to those who don't like karaoke, but do like to dance.


P.S. I just have one question, the ideal decibel level should be somewhere around 80 to 90 for a venue, I'm using my decibel electronic meter reader, it is clocking in at 67 to 74 decibel's, so why is the music too loud for some? I have the problem with the music too loud with the EV-50, I have no complaints with the Bose, and can play it louder?

Alan just remember money is not the root of all evil, but rather it is the love of money that is the root of all evil.


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The Lone Ranger wrote:
P.S. I just have one question, the ideal decibel level should be somewhere around 80 to 90 for a venue, I'm using my decibel electronic meter reader, it is clocking in at 67 to 74 decibel's, so why is the music too loud for some? I have the problem with the music too loud with the EV-50, I have no complaints with the Bose, and can play it louder?

For one thing, the Evolve 50 is twice as powerful as the Bose. The Evolve 50 also has a higher SPL than the Bose so that may explain it. With that said, there's always going to be some people that will complain that it's too loud no matter how low your playing it. So, if the majority of people are enjoying the music, and not complaining that it's too loud, ignore the rest.

The Evolve 50 sounds best when played loud. The louder you play it, the better it sounds.

Here's a tip...

On the Evolve 50: Choose "Music" and leave everything else at the default settings of "0". Use your mixer to adjust the sound, such as Bass, Treble, Mid, Volume, etc. if needed. If you need more loudness, increase the volume on the speaker. But you will be controlling everything with your mixer.

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Alan B wrote:
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P.S. I just have one question, the ideal decibel level should be somewhere around 80 to 90 for a venue, I'm using my decibel electronic meter reader, it is clocking in at 67 to 74 decibel's, so why is the music too loud for some? I have the problem with the music too loud with the EV-50, I have no complaints with the Bose, and can play it louder?

For one thing, the Evolve 50 is twice as powerful as the Bose. The Evolve 50 also has a higher SPL than the Bose so that may explain it. With that said, there's always going to be some people that will complain that it's too loud no matter how low your playing it. So, if the majority of people are enjoying the music, and not complaining that it's too loud, ignore the rest.

The Evolve 50 sounds best when played loud. The louder you play it, the better it sounds.

Here's a tip...

On the Evolve 50: Choose "Music" and leave everything else at the default settings of "0". Use your mixer to adjust the sound, such as Bass, Treble, Mid, Volume, etc. if needed. If you need more loudness, increase the volume on the speaker. But you will be controlling everything with your mixer.


I agree with Alan on what to set your speakers at. If you want more bass, then switch it to "club", but still keep everything at zero.

You will never please everyone. Someone will always complain. So you do your best to minimize the complaints by keeping it basically "static" and use your mixer to make adjustments.


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Once more into the breach, another first time gig tonight. This time it is the local American Legion, which once I had ties with. Now I'm no longer a member of that post but belong to The California Department Administrative Post. That way I stay out of local post politics, and can still be a member. It will once again be a DPN with no karaoke. Just a mic set up to make announcements. This venue is not ideal it is smaller, smaller dance floor, I will go with the Bose tonight and see what happens. So far I have been successful in switching gears from karaoke to dance, we will see if my luck holds. More later!


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 Post subject: Re: The Game's Afoot
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Like promised I am giving you more info on my enterprise. The American Legion gig was slow also but I did get some dancers, so it appears that maybe we will be trying this on a permanent basis, on Tuesdays instead of Wednesday. So far so good, I will be doing my second Moose show as a DJ tonight.


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 Post subject: Re: The Game's Afoot
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Like promised I am giving you more info on my enterprise.

I don't think anybody really cares about your "enterprise" and you working for free.

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Alan B wrote:
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Like promised I am giving you more info on my enterprise.

I don't think anybody really cares about your "enterprise" and you working for free.


Correctomundo!! If it's for free, then there is NO enterprise.


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 Post subject: Re: The Game's Afoot
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This is where you are both wrong anytime you undertake any action it is an enterprise, whether it is for money or not. Enterprise does not convey profit only, it also stands for carrying forth any type of policy or program. The word Enterprise means a certain amount of risk involved with the venture, and can be applied to many actions taken by an individual.

That being said last night again we had a full house of dancers, and money was made by the Moose Lodge, so my enterprise aka charity work aka dance parties have been a success, now I have three non-profit venues signed up.


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