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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:45 pm 
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I totally understand where you're coming from, mrscott. And I agree that it's hard to trust the facts and figures put out by the federal, state, and local governments when they vary so widely.

As for me... I believe that the vaccine has prevented hundreds of thousands of people from getting severely ill and/or dying. I feel a lot safer when I'm out in the bars, working, and being around people.

As you know, most of a hospital's ICU cases are from unvaccinated people. So many of them have cried for the shot when the end is near but at that point, it's too late.

Now, as far as long term side effects... it's still too early to tell. So far, there really hasn't been anything devastating. Many people believe the shots are risky. But, as long as you wake up to see another day, you are at risk of something happening. That's life.

I am very glad for the vaccine and although I was a little reluctant to get it at first, I am so glad I did.

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Sooner or later you have to come to the conclusion that you have to trust someone. A combat unit could not exist unless all of the members work as a team toward a common goal, and trust one another. We have to be able to cast our vote and trust someone to count it and give the true results. We have to trust scientists even though much of their data is conflicting, most of that is due to companies hiring their own experts, and giving false information. The main problem is no one can agree on a set of true facts, reality is whatever a person thinks in their head, there is a word for that crazy. Things have gotten more crazy with the internet.

When talking about possible side effects you have to way the risk possible death, trip to ICU, side effects that could last the rest of your life, against taking a shot, with few known side effects, and being able to return to normal. Seems like a clear choice to me.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:14 am 
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mrscott wrote:
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Here's a tip: There is so much misinformation, lies, and conspiracy theories circulating on line. Anything you read on any of the social media platforms, such as Facebook, is 99% false. It's not a very good place to get your information from. So, don't trust or believe anything from these type of platforms.



This is something we definitely agree on. However, some people are assuming that I am making my decision based on social media. That is farthest from the truth. I make my decision based on personal history of the lack of truths the government has incurred on me and my family. I see the information on several government agency (federal, state and local) websites that do not even come close to being accurate. Or that they even come close to agreeing with each other. How can a person take it seriously when one government entity tells you that there have been "x" number of cases on any given day, yet another government entity tells you a totally different number, and they aren't even close to each other. And to let you know, both of these websites are health departments, one state, one local. One is supposed to be giving facts, figures and updates to the other. But one of them tells us that they have tested 44 thousand more people in our district than we have a total population.... that's "people tested", not "tests given". Our state one shows that there have been over 300,000 more people tested than we have residents in this entire state. How can a person give these government agencies any credence or credibility when they are obviously stating inflated numbers. Add in that they have listed more deaths from Covid alone than we have had people die in our area in the last 6 months.

The federal government and ALL of it's agencies is full of misinformation and lies. I do not know how a person can trust a single word they say or print. No matter what media source you follow, it's all about politics and it's twisted both directions to make the other party look like liars. When we all know that both sides are just as guilty of spreading nothing but lies and propaganda.

I have no doubt the virus is real and that it is causing a huge number of deaths and illnesses. That much is certain. What I am trying to impart onto you all on here is that I cannot trust a government when they tell us this vaccine is "safe". I have to see it long term first to make a good judgement call. Yes, I have had vaccines before,,, all the normal ones, and I would get this one too if I believed that is is all it is cracked up to be. I have said it before, and will say it again: I cannot in good conscience even call it a "vaccine". To be a vaccine, it must be able to build up a persons IMMMUNITY to the virus it is meant to protect against. This current one does NOT do that, it is meant to be administered again, and again,,, and just how long before it kills you after getting your 3rd dose, or your 8th or 34th. You get the picture. I equate these shots to flu shots, meant to lessen the affects of certain illnesses...nothing more. And I have never gotten a flu shot either in my entire life....

Do I stay home when I am sick? ABSOLUTELY!!! Even when I did contract Covid, I stayed home longer than the prescribed time. We had just started back to hosting a couple of weeks before I got sick, but I didn't do any shows at that time. I am extremely confident that I did not spread any virus past my own doors at home. I know you will think this foolish Alan, but I even wiped down all my mics after every singer, and still do. I also wipe down my booth so as to lessen the chances of spread. It's not fool proof, but at least it's something.

All I am asking here is people to respect my personal "why" I don't want to get the shots at this time. At some point in time, it it still possible that I learn to trust the vaccine itself, just not yet. And in the meantime, I still social distance, I wash my hands almost too much, and I wear a mask in closed spaces (still need the correct masks for them to be effective) I really shouldn't have to justify anything to any of the people on here. But I would like you all to understand and accept my choices, even if you don't agree with them.

What and how I am living my daily life has little to no bearing on others around me, I make certain of that much. But what LR is doing is different in the fact that what he IS doing is taking potential future incomes away from other hosts. I can respect his choice for accepting no pay, but that still does not mean that the places he is hosting at should not be bearing the responsibility of the costs of doing business. Hence, they should be paying "someone", maybe not Lone Ranger, but they need to step up and do the right thing.



I do wish you would get off the future potential income aspect of my enterprise. These gigs, shows, jobs, are created in my head, and through my labor. Just like Jeff B from Amazon can put his vision of space travel into reality, I can do the same thing in my modest way. When you say that the venues need to step up and do the right thing, does that mean I am doing the right thing?

It is good that you are taking as many precautions as you are. One thing to remember all of the social distancing, washing hands, masks were stop gap measures, until we had effective vaccines. We have them now and they should be employed, so things will get back to normal quicker. If you really care about your country, you don't want to see it changed radically, then getting the vaccine makes sense. The longer this drags out the more pressure it will put on our institutions and hasten the change you don't want, our drive towards Democratic Socialism.

You were only back to hosting a couple of weeks and then you contracted the virus. I don't want to point out the obvious that you were working in a super spreader venue, hosting a super spreader activity, but there it is. I think in your case though you said something about it being brought home from dependents aka children's school. Which is more correct?


P.S. You can be extremely confident that you didn't spread the virus, but you can't swear under oath to your knowledge that you didn't, can you? If we decide to go out in public it is no longer a matter of personal choice. Once we come in contact with others just like second hand smoke, we could be effecting someone else. You say for a vaccine to be effective it has to build up immunity, we have to take a flu shot once a year, because being a virus like covid it mutates and the vaccine has to be adjusted yearly, that does not mean the vaccine is not effective? The bottom line is anyone working with the public aka coming into human contact with others should be vaccinated. If you don't want to get the vaccination get another line of work, where you don't have to deal with others, simple.


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The bottom line is anyone working with the public aka coming into human contact with others should be vaccinated. If you don't want to get the vaccination get another line of work, where you don't have to deal with others, simple.

I agree with you on this 100%. An unvaccinated person can be in contact with someone who has Covid and never get it, BUT still become a carrier and pass it on to someone else who may end up dead from it.

If you don't want to get the shot, fine. But stay away from other people because you just never know. Your actions have consequences. In this case they can be deadly.

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Alan B wrote:
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The bottom line is anyone working with the public aka coming into human contact with others should be vaccinated. If you don't want to get the vaccination get another line of work, where you don't have to deal with others, simple.

I agree with you on this 100%. An unvaccinated person can be in contact with someone who has Covid and never get it, BUT still become a carrier and pass it on to someone else who may end up dead from it.

If you don't want to get the shot, fine. But stay away from other people because you just never know. Your actions have consequences. In this case they can be deadly.


What you are also forgetting to add is that even vaccinated people can also contract the virus in the exact same manner. There is no difference that way. The reasoning behind the shots is they can lessen the severity of the illness. That part is a good thing. But looking at current numbers they are reporting, 37% of new cases are breakthrough. Which means they are letting their guards down by not wearing masks and not social distancing. Absolutely anyone can be a carrier, but the people who have already had it (like me) have a far less chance of being a carrier than even those who have been vaccinated.


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I am done talking about both of these subjects. I am moving on.


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Alan B wrote:
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The bottom line is anyone working with the public aka coming into human contact with others should be vaccinated. If you don't want to get the vaccination get another line of work, where you don't have to deal with others, simple.

I agree with you on this 100%. An unvaccinated person can be in contact with someone who has Covid and never get it, BUT still become a carrier and pass it on to someone else who may end up dead from it.

If you don't want to get the shot, fine. But stay away from other people because you just never know. Your actions have consequences. In this case they can be deadly.


Alan personally I think there are several factors as to why most of the non-profits are hurting. It is not so much poor managing, as it is changing demographics, dislocations due to the pandemic, less money available for entertainment, the first item that is usually cut from a family budget. In the case of karaoke it is tied closely with the BB's and not so much the Mills or Gen Z, Gen X is a much smaller group and harder to put a handle on. The BB's are the hardest hit many in my community several have died in the last year, and there are no replacements, currently. If MRSCOTT's prediction comes true and this virus is with us for decades, and large segments of the public refuse to do their part to end it, it will in my opinion only hasten the day where workers will demand a more level playing field. One thing this pandemic has exposed is all of the graft and corruption that is going on in this country. We cannot expect to be the beacon for Democracy, if we cannot even agree on who won an election.


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mrscott wrote:
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The bottom line is anyone working with the public aka coming into human contact with others should be vaccinated. If you don't want to get the vaccination get another line of work, where you don't have to deal with others, simple.

I agree with you on this 100%. An unvaccinated person can be in contact with someone who has Covid and never get it, BUT still become a carrier and pass it on to someone else who may end up dead from it.

If you don't want to get the shot, fine. But stay away from other people because you just never know. Your actions have consequences. In this case they can be deadly.


What you are also forgetting to add is that even vaccinated people can also contract the virus in the exact same manner. There is no difference that way. The reasoning behind the shots is they can lessen the severity of the illness. That part is a good thing. But looking at current numbers they are reporting, 37% of new cases are breakthrough. Which means they are letting their guards down by not wearing masks and not social distancing. Absolutely anyone can be a carrier, but the people who have already had it (like me) have a far less chance of being a carrier than even those who have been vaccinated.


That depends on how long your natural immunity lasts, it also wears off after time. It is not unusual for a person to be infected more than once, sometimes not with a positive outcome.


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Alan B wrote:
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Perhaps you can also respect LR's beliefs about hosting a show and not taking payment in return.

How can you respect a host whose actions are only hurting the industry and fellow KJ's? Sorry, but is he showing any respect to the hard working KJ's/DJ's who rely on this income for the services they provide?

What he's doing is sending a message to these venues that Karaoke/DJ entertainment is worthless and has no value. A message that says; they shouldn't have to pay for these services.

What happens after LR decides to pack it in and another KJ/DJ tries to take over. Do you think they're going to pay him or her $150 a night? No, they're not. They're not going to want to pay anything at all because of the precedent that LR started. Because of this, they're going to have a much more difficult time finding a gig that will pay for their services.

So tell me... what is there to respect?


Alan, If theyre making money see what LR did and brought to the lodge using Karaoke as their entertainment... Then i say Yes they will pay $150!! They'll have no problem paying that as long as the revenue out weighs the costs!!! Just makes sense!!!


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Alan B wrote:
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The bottom line is anyone working with the public aka coming into human contact with others should be vaccinated. If you don't want to get the vaccination get another line of work, where you don't have to deal with others, simple.

I agree with you on this 100%. An unvaccinated person can be in contact with someone who has Covid and never get it, BUT still become a carrier and pass it on to someone else who may end up dead from it.

If you don't want to get the shot, fine. But stay away from other people because you just never know. Your actions have consequences. In this case they can be deadly.

while this is true, another truth is .....the people you are talking about don't care about anyone else. if caring about someone else means they can not do absolutely anything they want anytime they want, everyone else needs to just stay home.

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It seems that there are two groups of people... those, as Paradigm has said, don't care about anybody except themselves and those who believe all of the misinformation regarding the Covid vaccine. They choose to listen to someone's "opinion" instead of science.

As far as any long term side effects from the vaccines, I believe you have a greater chance of falling in your home and cracking your skull open than having any long term side effects from the shots.

This is an excerpt from an article relating to the situation...

Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose. For this reason, the FDA required each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines to be studied for at least two months (eight weeks) after the final dose. Millions of people have received COVID-19 vaccines, and no long-term side effects have been detected.

You can read the full article here...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... n:PTN:FY21

Now, I think that there is a misconception here regarding long term side effects. If there should be any long term side effects, it would be from having Covid and the damage it has done.... NOT from the vaccine itself.

So, again, let's be clear... possible long term side effects are a result of the virus, not the vaccine.

We, the people, have the power to put an end to the pandemic... but you're talking about human beings, who are the most stupidest specie on the planet.

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