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We came very close to a dictatorship of the right on Jan 6th.


1954 Shooting in the House Chamber
On March 1, 1954, while Members gathered on the House Floor for an upcoming vote, three men and one woman entered the visitor’s gallery above the chamber and quietly took their seats. All four belonged to the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party and only hours earlier had traveled from New York City to Washington, DC.

The United States had annexed Puerto Rico in 1898, and the island’s relationship with the federal government had long been a point of contention. Some Puerto Ricans sought to maintain their relationship with the mainland, and others, like the four visitors in the House that day, argued for an independent Puerto Rico.

The Capitol had few security protocols at the time, and the four Puerto Rican nationalists entered the gallery armed with handguns. Around 2:30 p.m. they indiscriminately opened fire onto the House Floor and unfurled a Puerto Rican flag in a violent act of protest meant to draw attention to their demand for Puerto Rico’s immediate independence.

Five Congressmen were wounded in the shooting.

Members, House Pages, and police officers quickly helped detain three of the assailants outside the gallery, while the fourth escaped the Capitol and was apprehended later that afternoon.


Why does this never get talked about? This was way closer than Jan 6


Thank you for sharing I never knew this... I hoped they up security at that point... I'm guessing it doesn't get talked about is it wasn't the current President of the United States who by his own staff (Chris Miller) admission said it was his bosses speech that riled the gang to try to overthrow an election. IMHO I guess that's a alot worse than Puerto Rican Nationalist shooting 5 Congressmen... But it does need to be mentioned imho but not in the same breath as what happened on January 6. It is beyond me how anyone can support DT after what he did or failed to stop!!! The Extreme Right can Twist and turn all they want but imho it was pretty low.

So it's not really that big of deal as long as DT wasn't president? You know, only a few reps were shot, and they only had a few guns, and they hung a Puerto Rico flag up.

And how many gawkers/window breakers (insurgents) had guns..... ZERO
And how many politicians were shot..... ZERO


Roger You're twisting. I get it you want to downplay a POTUS (you support) riling his base to try to overturn an election... I know when it's something bad get the people looking in another direction and away from what happened. However, if Obama or Biden had lost the Presidency and wouldn't step down and riled his base to Stop the Steal at the Capitol that day.. and then didn't try to stop it for an hour to an hour and a half. Tell me you'd feel the same way about them as you do about the actions of Trump that day!!!


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You have answered your own question Yes Jan 6th was a bigger deal than the March 1st terrorist incident. Look at the hundreds of insurrectionists that have been charged with crimes by the FBI. Just remember that those loyal Trump supporters felt he wanted them to go down the street, he was going to lead them, then ducked out, like the chicken hawk he is. Loyalty to Trump is a one way street, if things turn, he is going to maintain with a straight face, "I never told them to do that". In the case of Mike Pence I can't believe he is trying to walk back Jan 6th. He was the one that almost got hung by the crowd, it was a near run thing. I guess Pence is going to build his gallows high, and give them another chance.

If the Republicans really want to watch all of the tapes and look into the facts, they should have voted for the bipartisan commission, to look into all aspects of the insurrection of Jan 6th.


You Dems can really spin some yarn. Don't you think that if police had found guns on the gawkers that they would have charged them. Who in this day and age would try to take over the Capital of the United States with sticks. You have got to be kidding me if you think that was their intent.

Not A SINGLE GUN was found on anyone in or around the Capital...... except for the cops, and they actually killed someone.

So just HOW close did Pence get to being killed? I am sure there must be plenty of videos supporting this. Show me one.

BTW the video that CNN created was used at his 3rd impeachment trial and he still didn't get impeached. So how damning was it?


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Roger You're twisting. I get it you want to downplay a POTUS (you support) riling his base to try to overturn an election... I know when it's something bad get the people looking in another direction and away from what happened. However, if Obama or Biden had lost the Presidency and wouldn't step down and riled his base to Stop the Steal at the Capitol that day.. and then didn't try to stop it for an hour to an hour and a half. Tell me you'd feel the same way about them as you do about the actions of Trump that day!!!

Are you saying that cops had to force DT to leave the WH and that DT refused to step down? Show me those facts


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You Dems can really spin some yarn. Don't you think that if police had found guns on the gawkers that they would have charged them. Who in this day and age would try to take over the Capital of the United States with sticks. You have got to be kidding me if you think that was their intent.

Not A SINGLE GUN was found on anyone in or around the Capital...... except for the cops, and they actually killed someone.

So just HOW close did Pence get to being killed?



The idiots intent was quite plain. They tweeted they had guns, if they were just talking then that was stupid, since the police would assume that they do have fire arms, just like they assumed BLM was armed. They shouted they were looking for Pence, and they again tweeted they wanted to try and hang him, at the gallows that had been placed near the Capitol Complex. I could see the police checking people for guns during a insurrection riot, hell they were lucky to not have more casualties. Restoring order could only happen after the guard deployed, you can bet by then the arms were out of sight. As far as closeness, you could see on the video, Pence was whisked away to a secure location less than a minute before the main chamber was breached. You miss that? What does it take for the VP of the United States getting hung, to change your mind?

P.S. These were not peaceful protesters or visitors, rather a mob seeking to overturn the results of a lawful election, stopping the process of government itself, trying to change the outcome in their favor.


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Are you saying that cops had to force DT to leave the WH and that DT refused to step down? Show me those facts



What are you talking about mrmarog? The fact is this Trump to this very day says in so many words, the election was stolen, there was fraud, Joe Biden is not the president of the United States. I guess Donald is the government in exile, like Napoleon, at Elba. I guess for once there wasn't enough old angry white men to swing the election to the Republicans, and they are all big cry babies.


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Roger You're twisting. I get it you want to downplay a POTUS (you support) riling his base to try to overturn an election... I know when it's something bad get the people looking in another direction and away from what happened. However, if Obama or Biden had lost the Presidency and wouldn't step down and riled his base to Stop the Steal at the Capitol that day.. and then didn't try to stop it for an hour to an hour and a half. Tell me you'd feel the same way about them as you do about the actions of Trump that day!!!

Are you saying that cops had to force DT to leave the WH and that DT refused to step down? Show me those facts


Roger I'm sorry you're twisting again.... Let me simplify it for you then. On January 6th instead of DT being our President Obama or Biden is.. Would you feel the same way about how the President handled it that day if it was Obama or Biden that did the same thing and not Trump?


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Roger You're twisting. I get it you want to downplay a POTUS (you support) riling his base to try to overturn an election... I know when it's something bad get the people looking in another direction and away from what happened. However, if Obama or Biden had lost the Presidency and wouldn't step down and riled his base to Stop the Steal at the Capitol that day.. and then didn't try to stop it for an hour to an hour and a half. Tell me you'd feel the same way about them as you do about the actions of Trump that day!!!

Are you saying that cops had to force DT to leave the WH and that DT refused to step down? Show me those facts


Roger I'm sorry you're twisting again.... Let me simplify it for you then. On January 6th instead of DT being our President Obama or Biden is.. Would you feel the same way about how the President handled it that day if it was Obama or Biden that did the same thing and not Trump?

If Biden or Obama had had the election count stopped in the middle of the night when they were ahead, and hours later the count restarted and they were now behind, yes there would have been an even more horrific result.

Now we are are talking apple to apples. Continue with your nonsense.


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Are you saying that cops had to force DT to leave the WH and that DT refused to step down? Show me those facts



What are you talking about mrmarog? The fact is this Trump to this very day says in so many words, the election was stolen, there was fraud, Joe Biden is not the president of the United States. I guess Donald is the government in exile, like Napoleon, at Elba. I guess for once there wasn't enough old angry white men to swing the election to the Republicans, and they are all big cry babies.

It was a stolen election! Pure and simple.


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mrmarog wrote:
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Roger You're twisting. I get it you want to downplay a POTUS (you support) riling his base to try to overturn an election... I know when it's something bad get the people looking in another direction and away from what happened. However, if Obama or Biden had lost the Presidency and wouldn't step down and riled his base to Stop the Steal at the Capitol that day.. and then didn't try to stop it for an hour to an hour and a half. Tell me you'd feel the same way about them as you do about the actions of Trump that day!!!

Are you saying that cops had to force DT to leave the WH and that DT refused to step down? Show me those facts


Roger I'm sorry you're twisting again.... Let me simplify it for you then. On January 6th instead of DT being our President Obama or Biden is.. Would you feel the same way about how the President handled it that day if it was Obama or Biden that did the same thing and not Trump?

If Biden or Obama had had the election count stopped in the middle of the night when they were ahead, and hours later the count restarted and they were now behind, yes there would have been an even more horrific result.

Now we are are talking apple to apples. Continue with your nonsense.


Roger... My nonsense? :lol: It's a simple and fair question.


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It was a stolen election! Pure and simple.



According to former AG Barr that is B/S! Most other sane Republicans even Moscow Mitch say Trump lost. There is not any truth to the rumor started by Q, that Trump will be president come August, it just isn't going to happen, period. There have been numerous cases brought before even conservative judges who say the same thing nothing here, move on. Then that is always been Trumps problem he can't move on, and be a GOOD LOSER like he really is. Is that pure and simple? Not to mention Biden received millions more votes than Donald did, he was clearly the people's choice.













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If Biden or Obama had had the election count stopped in the middle of the night when they were ahead, and hours later the count restarted and they were now behind, yes there would have been an even more horrific result.

Now we are are talking apple to apples. Continue with your nonsense.



This is just so much B/S, there was a reason for the time lag, there were absentee ballots that had to be counted and that takes time. The Democrats since there are more of them voted by mail, usually something done by the Republicans, the pandemic made this necessary. It does prove one thing if you allow people to vote, and don't try and suppress the vote, Democrats will win, that will be more true every year as more and more Republicans go to meet their maker. Sooner or later demographics will win out. This is the last gasp of Southern White Racism.


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If Biden or Obama had had the election count stopped in the middle of the night when they were ahead, and hours later the count restarted and they were now behind, yes there would have been an even more horrific result.

Now we are are talking apple to apples. Continue with your nonsense.



This is just so much B/S, there was a reason for the time lag, there were absentee ballots that had to be counted and that takes time. The Democrats since there are more of them voted by mail, usually something done by the Republicans, the pandemic made this necessary. It does prove one thing if you allow people to vote, and don't try and suppress the vote, Democrats will win, that will be more true every year as more and more Republicans go to meet their maker. Sooner or later demographics will win out. This is the last gasp of Southern White Racism.

Then why did this only happen in key battleground states? Did those states forget that Nov 3 is election day and came unprepared? Did masses of people take days to walk to the drop boxes and finally got there just before midnight? And the broken water pipe was an over flowing urinal.


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Then why did this only happen in key battleground states? Did those states forget that Nov 3 is election day and came unprepared? Did masses of people take days to walk to the drop boxes and finally got there just before midnight? And the broken water pipe was an over flowing urinal.


Many of those key battleground states have Republican State Legislatures, those bodies passed laws that votes that were absentee could only start the counting process on election day, or after. This was done on purpose to give the impression that something funny was going on, and to delay the results. In your state of Florida the results were know quite quickly, but that was because absentee votes were counted starting two weeks before election day. These Republican Legislatures knew that millions of ballots would be cast absentee because of the pandemic, and should have allowed counting prior to election day, then the results probably could have been known in a day or two at the most.


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Here is an idea why don't we try European Democratic Socialism for as many years as we have Supply Side, Trickle Down economics 50 years, and see which is the better system! While we are at it why not a Single Payer Modern Health Delivery System, you know Medicare for all? We pay twice what Single Payer countries do, and our health outcomes are worse on whole.


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Here is an idea why don't we try European Democratic Socialism for as many years as we have Supply Side, Trickle Down economics 50 years, and see which is the better system! While we are at it why not a Single Payer Modern Health Delivery System, you know Medicare for all? We pay twice what Single Payer countries do, and our health outcomes are worse on whole.

I'm on a Medicare Advantage plan. Everyone over 65 can have the same exact plan as me. I have had (2) total hip replacements, (1) 3,4,5 lower back laminectomy, (1) 3,4,5 lower back spinal fusion, (1) left thumb joint repair, and (1) heart attack. All these were done within in the last 5 years, and all were done with minimal expense to me, and were performed within days of discovery.

So what is wrong with that medical care?


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I'm on a Medicare Advantage plan. Everyone over 65 can have the same exact plan as me. I have had (2) total hip replacements, (1) 3,4,5 lower back laminectomy, (1) 3,4,5 lower back spinal fusion, (1) left thumb joint repair, and (1) heart attack. All these were done within in the last 5 years, and all were done with minimal expense to me, and were performed within days of discovery.

So what is wrong with that medical care?


Well, I'm 41, so I can't get it for another 24 years.

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Ok, I'm really bothered by realizing 65 is that close.

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I'm on a Medicare Advantage plan. Everyone over 65 can have the same exact plan as me. I have had (2) total hip replacements, (1) 3,4,5 lower back laminectomy, (1) 3,4,5 lower back spinal fusion, (1) left thumb joint repair, and (1) heart attack. All these were done within in the last 5 years, and all were done with minimal expense to me, and were performed within days of discovery.

So what is wrong with that medical care?


Well, I'm 41, so I can't get it for another 24 years.

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Ok, I'm really bothered by realizing 65 is that close.

Don't you realize that the age requirement is ever increasing.

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Here is an idea why don't we try European Democratic Socialism for as many years as we have Supply Side, Trickle Down economics 50 years, and see which is the better system! While we are at it why not a Single Payer Modern Health Delivery System, you know Medicare for all? We pay twice what Single Payer countries do, and our health outcomes are worse on whole.

I'm on a Medicare Advantage plan. Everyone over 65 can have the same exact plan as me. I have had (2) total hip replacements, (1) 3,4,5 lower back laminectomy, (1) 3,4,5 lower back spinal fusion, (1) left thumb joint repair, and (1) heart attack. All these were done within in the last 5 years, and all were done with minimal expense to me, and were performed within days of discovery.

So what is wrong with that medical care?


You just proved my case medicare for all, it would be far cheaper than our current employer based health care, and everyone would have the same level of care you have had mrmarog.


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mrmarog wrote:
I'm on a Medicare Advantage plan. Everyone over 65 can have the same exact plan as me. I have had (2) total hip replacements, (1) 3,4,5 lower back laminectomy, (1) 3,4,5 lower back spinal fusion, (1) left thumb joint repair, and (1) heart attack. All these were done within in the last 5 years, and all were done with minimal expense to me, and were performed within days of discovery.

So what is wrong with that medical care?


Well, I'm 41, so I can't get it for another 24 years.

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Ok, I'm really bothered by realizing 65 is that close.

Don't you realize that the age requirement is ever increasing.


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Don't you realize that the age requirement is ever increasing.


There wouldn't be any age requirement if all citizens were under the same plan aka medicare for all.


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