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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:34 pm 
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Here is an idea why don't we try European Democratic Socialism for as many years as we have Supply Side, Trickle Down economics 50 years, and see which is the better system! While we are at it why not a Single Payer Modern Health Delivery System, you know Medicare for all? We pay twice what Single Payer countries do, and our health outcomes are worse on whole.

I'm on a Medicare Advantage plan. Everyone over 65 can have the same exact plan as me. I have had (2) total hip replacements, (1) 3,4,5 lower back laminectomy, (1) 3,4,5 lower back spinal fusion, (1) left thumb joint repair, and (1) heart attack. All these were done within in the last 5 years, and all were done with minimal expense to me, and were performed within days of discovery.

So what is wrong with that medical care?


You just proved my case medicare for all, it would be far cheaper than our current employer based health care, and everyone would have the same level of care you have had mrmarog.

No, I didn't! Medicare should be for those that paid into it or earned it through legal citizenship, not just to anyone that crosses our border.


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mrmarog wrote:
No, I didn't! Medicare should be for those that paid into it or earned it through legal citizenship, not just to anyone that crosses our border.


That is what I'm saying all legal citizens should have a single payer public health option. In other words access to the same level of care you had. I'm not saying give it to everyone, just those who are currently legal and can prove their status. If we put everyone in the system they would all be paying in, economy of size would come into play, like in all other countries that have single payer, and lower costs than we do. Just like UBI would only be for legal U.S. citizens, paying into that system.


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Well the dire predictions of global warming seem to becoming true at least in the West. Last year 40% of the West was in a drought situation, now it is closer to 90%. Utah yesterday hit 117 the same a Las Vegas, the mussels along the shore of the Pacific North West were cooked in their shells, it is estimated more than a billion shellfish have died. This hurts the local ecosystems, and deprives other animals of food who consume mussels. A farm worker died of exposure to the heat, while gathering food for consumer meal tables. If we do indeed lose 1/3rd of our meat and grain production sooner than 2080, it will usher in lack of food, higher prices. Will there be a zombies aka cannibals in the world eating others to stay alive? Do people really think that this is a hoax? Even if UBI were passed will their be anything to consume?

P.S. In Cuba where there are the U.S. sanctions still in place, for the first in decades there were protests against the government because of food shortages and high prices.


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mrmarog wrote:
No, I didn't! Medicare should be for those that paid into it or earned it through legal citizenship, not just to anyone that crosses our border.

that's what single payer medical is, that's exactly what medicare for all is.
Americans spend $9,892 on average per citizen per year on medical expenses not including what is covered by insurance.
vs the UK $4,192 per citizen.
i will never understand people saying "I want to pay double just to ensure nobody accidentally gets any help from MY money. Those stupid people in every other country on earth paying less than me....don't they know somebody might get help from that? I'm so much smarter by paying double."
if I can pay less for medical, who cares if somebody else gets help? all the better, pay less and help more people.

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Biden is starting a plan to make direct payments automatic to families an extension of the child care tax credit, 300.00 per month per child. This will be the start of pushing forward a plan for future direct payments to be immediate, and tied closely to the economy. These automatic payments would be triggered by jolts to the economy, such as a pandemic or a Wall Street meltdown that has happened more the once in my lifetime. This I feel is a way to get people used to direct payments on a continuing basis, to steady the economy long term, and get us out of the perpetual cycles of boom and bust, associated with unfettered Capitalism. Eventually UBI will be tried in this country, ending over 50 years of supply side trickle down nonsense, which Bush I called correctly Voodoo Economics.


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It has been asked why should we as a nation be concerned with the plight of the working class? Why do they need a stronger safety net?
The reason is lacking strong unions, the government is the last resort to protect the average person against the excesses of modern day Robber Barons of Capitalism. We can see by the example of Cuba that if a government cannot meet the basic needs of the masses, there will be a revolt. I don't think for a minute that any of us would wait in line for 8 hours just to receive our small rations every month, there are just too many guns floating around in the country. The unrest we see in Cuba will only get worse as long as food and medicine are in short supply on that Island.

P.S. For those of you that think Biden is weak or soft, just look at the fact he is keeping the restrictions on CUBA. Unlike Obama, maybe because he is a Catholic, and the Catholic Church does not like Communists?


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The Lone Ranger wrote:
It has been asked why should we as a nation be concerned with the plight of the working class? Why do they need a stronger safety net?
The reason is lacking strong unions, the government is the last resort to protect the average person against the excesses of modern day Robber Barons of Capitalism. We can see by the example of Cuba that if a government cannot meet the basic needs of the masses, there will be a revolt. I don't think for a minute that any of us would wait in line for 8 hours just to receive our small rations every month, there are just too many guns floating around in the country. The unrest we see in Cuba will only get worse as long as food and medicine are in short supply on that Island.

P.S. For those of you that think Biden is weak or soft, just look at the fact he is keeping the restrictions on CUBA. Unlike Obama, maybe because he is a Catholic, and the Catholic Church does not like Communists?

But didn't Obama go the Jeremiah Wright's church? Wright was such a nice even tempered person. As I recall you liked Obama.


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mrmarog wrote:
But didn't Obama go the Jeremiah Wright's church? Wright was such a nice even tempered person. As I recall you liked Obama.



As I recall Obama denounced some of Wright's positions. It makes little difference anyway in this country there is a separation of Chruch and State. As I recall you used to like Mitt Romney do you still?


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Well it's a great day, California just became the first state to ok a 35 million dollar Universal Basic Income Plan. It passed the Senate 36-0 and the Assembly 64-0, how's that for bipartisan cooperation? Those in the plan will receive up to $1,000.00 a month. I'm glad to see that our state is still on the cutting edge.


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Well it's a great day, California just became the first state to ok a 35 million dollar Universal Basic Income Plan. It passed the Senate 36-0 and the Assembly 64-0, how's that for bipartisan cooperation? Those in the plan will receive up to $1,000.00 a month. I'm glad to see that our state is still on the cutting edge.


P.S. Just found out that this state UBI program was in response from the findings, of a pilot program in Stockton California, that has been ongoing for a couple of years. It was found out that those getting UBI payments were twice a likely to go from part-time to full time work, once they found out they would not be penalized for increasing their income. What was the money spent on food, housing, education less than 1% went to drugs or alcohol. The most important aspect of all of this is an overall reduction in stress for those on UBI, also increased time to be with their family, not having to work outrageous amounts of overtime just to survive. Like I have stated this is not welfare, this is giving workers especially those with families much needed support, pumping money back into the economy, and growing GDP.

The only reason I can think for the full support of both Democrats and Republicans for this plan, is the simple fact that most Americans want this type of program. In fact a recent poll found out even 58% of Republican voters favor this UBI approach to solving long term poverty, and other problems like crime associated with poverty. So for once it seems both the political hacks and the people are on the same page, wish we co do that with every problem, facing this country.


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I have to laugh when conservatives accuse me of wanting Socialism in the United States. Get over it, we have had some Socialism in this country for years, going back to the New Deal, The Great Society aka Social Security and Medicare, which are very popular programs. What is Ironic is that by opposing vaccination for all, conservatives are playing right into pushing the need for more Socialism not less. As citizens continue to suffer, naturally the government will have to pour in more money and set up more relief programs, not less. Let us face the facts events are pushing us closer to European style Democratic Socialism. Some conservatives that truly oppose more Socialism should get their shots, get more control over rapidly changing events. Case in point covid-19 is showing the need for single payer health care delivery system, also UBI. So in a way by refusing to be vaccinated conservatives are pushing Democratic Socialism closer to a reality.

P.S. Funny the conservative that sees the need to vaccinate is Moscow Mitch, he knows as long as the health emergency continues, it will put pressure on government to solve the problems it causes. Mitch as a child had Polio and is very pro vaccination.

House Minority Whip Steve Scalise R-LA just had his shots, he asserts "It's Safe And Effective".


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I am always asked just how much Socialism exists in the United States right now? What programs are developed for the Public good, not to make a profit per say.

1. The US has a very well Funded Military that is controlled by the Government.

2. America has Universal Free Education for anyone from K-12. Public Schools are Tax Paid Free for any Americans.

3. Transportation and Infrastructure are funded and controlled by the State and Upgrading Infrastructure is funded by State and Federal
Governments.

4. The US has A Single-Payer Healthcare System for American Seniors called Medicare, which is very cheap and affordable in most states,for most Elderly Americans to have Medical Free in Some States it's Totally Free.

5. Medicaid Healthcare Plan for the Poor. It is not Universal because it doesn't cover the very poor. (Those that need it the most)

6. Obamacare, a program that has dramatically reduced the Uninsured Population in America.

7. The U.S. has Federal Reserve Bank for the American Government to it for many policies.

8. Social Security it encompasses Social Welfare, and Social Insurance For All Americans.

9. America has a Public Funded Police System.

10.Public Parks in America, are Green Spaces and Recreational areas for all.

11.Libraries in U.S. are Publicly Funded by States.

12.Public Transportation, and Amtrak both are funded by the Federal and States Governments.
13.Foster Kids: Adopting a foster child the Govt. pays you money to support that child.
14.Farm Subsidies.
15 Public Hospitals.
16.Public Jails.
17.Public Parking Places.
18.Social Welfare.
19.Public Universities, some are tuition free.
20.Veterans Affairs Admin.
21.Government controlled Post Office.
22.Public Fire Depts.
23.Government Pensions.
24.Public Health Insurance for children.
25.Food Stamps.
26.Public Govt. Agencies aka F.B.I. & C.I.A. etc. etc.etc.

So we can see by these examples there are more, there is a considerable degree of Socialism already woven into the fabric of this nation.


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It's official more than 20 million fellow Americans have been lifted out of poverty due to the amount of money spent on the social safety net. The unemployment is still a net negative since 7 million workers have yet to go back to work. Many of the programs designed to help the poor and unemployed have expired or will expire soon. The halt of foreclosures and evictions for renters is due to expire this weekend on July 31st, placing more than 8 million Americans mostly families in danger of losing the roof over their heads. This help to families and other programs need to be made permanent in order to keep the poor off the streets, further compounding problems associated with the pandemic.

P.S. Thanks to the family tax credit that just went out, 61% of of children that were in poverty now are not. That poverty fell 45% in this country during the time of the pandemic, so I guess direct payments do work. That President Reagan was wrong when he said "we fought the war on poverty and poverty won." Someone or something only wins when you stop fighting.


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"Socialism is a scare word they've hurled at every advance the people have made. Socialism is what they called public power, social security, deposit insurance, and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for anything that helps all people".

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Some great news on the UBI front. Rep Ilhan Omar has put forward The Support Act, that would provide payments of 1200.00 per month per adult, and 600.00 per month, per child. Pilot programs would begin in 2023, full implementation would start in 2028. These would be not one time payments, but rather permanent. It would seem that we are finally going to try and win the war on Poverty in this country. Events will push this idea along, events none of us have any control over.


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Now that the 1.2 Trillion dollar infrastructure bill has passed the Senate, it is time to look at the human infrastructure bill. That will cost 3.5 trillion dollars, and again will be used to educate, pay for child care and free community college for all. Much like the G.I. Education Bill this will uplift millions of Americans and help them get those better jobs, that require a trade or certificate. You might ask why I'm not upset with all of this spending? The answer is simple both will grow the economy and increase GDP. The amount of money spent isn't much when you consider we wasted 1.7 trillion dollars on the F-35 Fighter, a failed plane. Now if we can get something done on UBI?


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