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from what im hearing several states are going into lock down again...this is not a good sign for karaoke as a whole


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from what im hearing several states are going into lock down again...this is not a good sign for karaoke as a whole



The only light at the end of the tunnel seems to be the vaccine maybe coming on line during the Christmas Season. There is supposed to be 25 million doses available then. With another 25 million every month after that. The problem is vaccination itself is a two injection process one then another in 21 days. Recent news indicates they are trying to shorten the time frame for the second dose, to 14 days instead of 21.


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One thing that Desperate Donald's failure to acknowledge defeat has done is to do anything about helping people before the holidays. Many are facing eviction, foreclosure, the loss of their small family business's, lack of health insurance, and even facing starvation. So much attention is being paid to the two Senate races in Georgia, that Moscow Mitch has done nothing to help pass a new stimulus package before the end of the year. Trump will leave office with no smooth transition for the next administration, leaving the house on fire, and all of the fire hoses cut.

Many times it has been chanted in Trump rallies "Lock Them Up", well what comes around goes around. Once Donald is no longer protected from being indicted, it would seem time to have him pay for his misdeeds, like all of his minions before him. This final betrayal of the American people just before the holidays, should erase any feelings of mercy from the public. Just like those that were scammed with his phony business college fraud, the voters should hold him responsible for the expanded deaths, from this pandemic. He said there would be no mention of Covid-19 after the election, guess what it is still in the news.

P.S. Heading home yesterday I saw the people in their cars lined up for their food boxes, just before Thanksgiving. I guess we should be grateful that we will not have another four years of this. In 2024 let us hope that Donald is locked up and can do no more harm.


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Well it seems that Congress is coming back in session to get maybe two things done, the government funded so there is no shutdown at Christmas time, and to finally pass a stimulus bill. Both Trump and Biden are pressing to have a new stimulus bill passed. if Trump is serious about running in 2024, he can't leave office with the house on fire after all. It will be remembered in 4 years that while millions were facing eviction, starvation, he was putting around the greens, and twittering about how he was robbed of a job he has been AWOL from for sometime. If stimulus is passed it will be more direct payments to individuals and families, I guess it really isn't socialism, since Republicans would need to vote for it as well!


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Well it seems that Congress is coming back in session to get maybe two things done, the government funded so there is no shutdown at Christmas time, and to finally pass a stimulus bill. Both Trump and Biden are pressing to have a new stimulus bill passed. if Trump is serious about running in 2024, he can't leave office with the house on fire after all. It will be remembered in 4 years that while millions were facing eviction, starvation, he was putting around the greens, and twittering about how he was robbed of a job he has been AWOL from for sometime. If stimulus is passed it will be more direct payments to individuals and families, I guess it really isn't socialism, since Republicans would need to vote for it as well!

Not necessarily are there going to be stimulus checks. More than likely they're just going to kick the can down the road in the evictions, unemployment and everything else that is expiring and deal with the rest of it after Biden is sworn in.
If the information that I just watched is correct, a group of Republicans and Democrats in the Senate have been hammering out a covid relief bill that addresses the evictions, unemployment benefits, vaccine delivery and direct relief checks for individuals. Plus a few other issues like pipe and aid for schools. It will be interesting to see what they come up with. The price tag around 1.4 Trillion dollars.

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if Trump is serious about running in 2024, he can't leave office with the house on fire after all.


I don't see him being a free citizen in 2024, nor having any real support even if he was. I think they may try to convince him he has a shot in 2024 just to get him to sign some last minute legislation, but they're totally going to turn on him after Jan 20 and it won't be pretty.


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The 908 billion compromise stimulus is dead on arrival. Moscow Mitch doesn't like it since it bails out state and local governments, and is over the 500 billion he wants in a new stimulus bill. The Democrats of course don't like it for various reasons, also there is no new money for direct payments to individuals. This is badly needed since it was the direct payments that helped fuel the economic turn around in the Fall. Without money in the pockets of citizens, especially at Christmas time, there is little doubt Biden will be inheriting a economy that will be headed for deep recession, on top of the pandemic.


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Stimulus or not, we are nearing the end of this. It's just not going to bounce back immediately even once everyone is immunized. Once schools are opened again, that will free up the time of a lot of parents out there, but a lot of them won't have jobs to go back to immediately, which is why the new package focused more on small businesses. They'd rather businesses hire people to work than to just keep paying people to sit at home, because if you do that, you have to keep paying them until there are jobs available. Honest people would rather have a job than a handout anyway. Nothing gets done if everyone is sitting at home, and most people are sick of sitting at home. I am, and I worked from home before this started! I just want to be able to go to a karaoke show, a restaurant at normal capacity, or play a game of poker with actual people.

Also remember we do have to pay this money back at some point in taxes because money doesn't grow on trees. At Karaosoft, we took an SBA loan for covid relief this year, but it's a loan and we have to pay it back. When this is over, I sure hope a lot of people want to get out and sing karaoke because our monthly expenses just went up due to this pandemic. I have faith that not only will normal sales levels return at some point, but that initially, there will be a couple months of "market correction" in the karaoke industry with high demand from people's pent up cabin fever and pandemic anxiety that we all have. The bars and restaurants that are still in business are expected to be packed initially and KJs need to take advantage of that.


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Stimulus or not, we are nearing the end of this. It's just not going to bounce back immediately even once everyone is immunized. Once schools are opened again, that will free up the time of a lot of parents out there, but a lot of them won't have jobs to go back to immediately, which is why the new package focused more on small businesses. They'd rather businesses hire people to work than to just keep paying people to sit at home, because if you do that, you have to keep paying them until there are jobs available.

the issue i see with all this is that businesses wont hire without demand for product.
if we the buyers have no money, the businesses wont be selling nearly as much so they cut payroll.
i see supply and demand as a misnomer...it is actually demand and supply.
low demand (due to being broke) means supply gets lowered to keep prices up which is what businesses really care about in the end.
what business is going to say "fewer people are buying what we are selling, so lets hire more people to make more products people can't afford and raise our payroll to lower our profits."
nobody.
on the other hand, paying people to stay home, means they have money and will buy. this was shown with the Bush stimulus and the one earlier this year. the money was spent almost immediately. and conservatives complained about people buying TV's, phones, computers, new clothes, cars, etc.... they literally complained because people bought things at stores and put money into the economy.
demand and supply kicks in. when people have money and buy, a business has 2 choices, increase production by expanding the workforce and payroll, or let your competitors take the extra customers.
if my bars have fewer customers because they are all broke, i'm not hiring more hosts, nor are the bars hiring more tenders or cooks. nor are the bars really keeping us around if we cant get enough people in with money to make it worth it.
give the PEOPLE the stimulus money instead of the businesses, they spend and we have to do what we have to do. more people at bars, more people spending, i get more shows so i have to hire hosts, and have to buy more copies of hosting software (which i know you would prefer over having the loan to pay back).

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So there you are Bob is talking about a more traditional approach to solving the economic problems of this nation. Paradigm is talking about thinking outside the traditional box. The reality is this pandemic has fast forwarded forces that were already at work in our system by at least 10 years or more. We are rapidly approaching the point where we are going to be suffering from a severe case of future shock. Where institutions are going to be stressed to the max, trying to solve the problems that face this nation. After more than 50 years of supply side, trickle down economics, we have to face the fact it doesn't work. All it does is make the gaps in our society between haves and have not's even greater. Millions of jobs are gone, at least 50% of all restaurants will go out of business alone, along with other small family run business's.

As far as paying people to sit home, we have to look at it in a different light. Many people do jobs they don't get paid for, taking care of sick parents, housewife's who care for the home and children, etc. etc. etc. It is possible to make direct payments to all, after the initial cost, it would be self funding if a VAT is applied to fund it. For every dollar spent on direct payments it has a multiplying effect of three dollars of growth in the GNP of the country. If the money is spent on infrastructure, or green energy the multiplying effect on GNP is seven to one. Yes it will cost money, just like a public option for health will cost money. What is not told to citizens, is not fixing our problems will have an even greater price tag down the road.

P.S. Years ago Henry Ford was savaged by competitors for paying his workers 5.00 a day. Ford said he wanted his workers to be able to buy the cars they were producing, that was why the higher wages.


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Yes but Ford didn't pay them to sit on their asses. Big difference. He got something in return for those high wages he was paying. He got quality workers. That concept has nothing to do with this pandemic or it's consequences. Once it's over, people will be more than willing to work. There just needs to be money to pay them for their work, and that comes from the businesses. Paying people directly without asking anything in return makes zero sense. It's been tried throughout history and never works, because someone always has to pay in the end, and when those who are paying figure it out, the money will stop being paid. Basic human nature and there's no getting around it. You also just can't print more money because then the value of the money goes down. All these things have been tried and failed before. If money isn't earned, then how is it even remotely fair? and everyone knows this. People don't stand for anything that is unfair, and they never will.


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I am confused. Why are people even doing karaoke's. I would love to go back to work and entertain people.

1. You must not play loud music, or music that could cause people to raise their voice.

2. Social distancing, how can you really make this work, someone has to take a mic, there is always the drunken lout who wants to get up close to the person singing and sing in their mic.

3. I do not think there is any way that a microphone can be cleaned properly between singers. The grills on the microphone holds all sorts of germs as it is.

4. Some people can be a pain when they are drunk. It is sometimes hard to keep people under control at the best of times without all these new rules that people are not going to listen to.

5. Someone over here said people are desperate for karaoke. Well I am desperate for an all you can eat buffet but guess what.... I have to wait.

We ended up converting the equipment to an online show and all our singers tuned in and we had quizes and game shows online. I still managed to entertain but unfortunately I can not see a safe way of indoor or ourdoor karaoke.

Maybe if everyone had their own radio mic and it was outside it could be better.

Just let this get sorted. The quicker all these people who feel the need they HAVE to be at a pub decide that maybe the pub is not the only thing in the world that matters, then maybe this will not have infected as many people.

Whilst it looks like there is a vaccine getting rolled out next week, it is going in order of people who need it. It is not an overnight thing.

Lets all be safe. No need to live in the pub. Stick to the rules and do not try to bend them to make it look like it is ok to do what is pretty obviously wrong. If you have to bend rules then you know it is wrong.


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Bob Latshaw wrote:
Yes but Ford didn't pay them to sit on their asses. Big difference. He got something in return for those high wages he was paying. He got quality workers. That concept has nothing to do with this pandemic or it's consequences. Once it's over, people will be more than willing to work. There just needs to be money to pay them for their work, and that comes from the businesses. Paying people directly without asking anything in return makes zero sense. It's been tried throughout history and never works, because someone always has to pay in the end, and when those who are paying figure it out, the money will stop being paid. Basic human nature and there's no getting around it. You also just can't print more money because then the value of the money goes down. All these things have been tried and failed before. If money isn't earned, then how is it even remotely fair? and everyone knows this. People don't stand for anything that is unfair, and they never will.



Bob your assumptions are all based on what has worked in the past. The Big difference is times change, you have to change with the times or be left behind. Many of the small business's that once were thriving in the old economy are gone and they are not coming back. Modern technology has freed man from the drudgery of work. There are now robots that do jobs once done by humans in manufacturing, and soon in transportation, such as trucking. In 23 states trucking is the main profession, what happens to all of those workers when they no longer needed? Not to mention all of the other jobs related to supporting trucking? You have to look at the fact that unless some type of stimulus is passed 12 million workers will lose their unemployment benefits right after Christmas.

Why can't you just print money, isn't that what the Federal Reserve did in order to keep the markets from collapsing in March? They provided 4 trillion dollars in liquidity aka government backed money! If they can do that for the stock market, they could do the same to prop up out of work citizens, people are as important as companies right? You have to face the facts that maybe they are just too many people and not enough jobs. Also we need to start shifting workers into other jobs such as infrastructure repair, and green energy getting off fossil fuels. If we don't then the Oceans of the world will be one huge dead sea, by the year 2050. When that happens then life on this planet will really get ugly.


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I stand by my statement that people won't stand for anything that is unfair. People getting paid to sit (when they're capable of working) is unfair to those who work. There is no way around that. No amount of clever words will change human nature, but I know you'll give it your best shot.


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Bob Latshaw wrote:
I stand by my statement that people won't stand for anything that is unfair. People getting paid to sit (when they're capable of working) is unfair to those who work. There is no way around that. No amount of clever words will change human nature, but I know you'll give it your best shot.

You do have a point, Bob. When people were getting an extra $600 a week supplement in their unemployment benefits, they were not motivated to go back to work since they were making more money staying home collecting. I mean, why should you go back to work for $500 per week when you can stay home and get $1100 per week on unemployment. Then again, who doesn't like free money?

Bob, I hope you can tough it out and hold on to your business.

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Bob Latshaw wrote:
I stand by my statement that people won't stand for anything that is unfair. People getting paid to sit (when they're capable of working) is unfair to those who work. There is no way around that. No amount of clever words will change human nature, but I know you'll give it your best shot.



What do you mean people won't stand for anything that is unfair? Just look how long poor people stood for the feudal system? Where thousands of workers supported a very small aristocracy and the church! Capitalism has been going on for a couple hundred years now, is it fair? You have a few large companies controlling vast amounts of wealth, along with a small group of insanely rich people, while the rest can't feed, shelter, or provide health care for their families, is that fair? Never in our country's history has the gap been so wide between the have and the have not's. The concentration of wealth in the hands of a few, has led to government corruption on an epic scale.

Don't the rich get paid to sit? Didn't they inherit their wealth for the most part, and never had to work a day in their lives, or go hungry even once? You have a strange way of determining what is fair and what isn't.


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You do have a point, Bob. When people were getting an extra $600 a week supplement in their unemployment benefits, they were not motivated to go back to work since they were making more money staying home collecting. I mean, why should you go back to work for $500 per week when you can stay home and get $1100 per week on unemployment. Then again, who doesn't like free money?

Bob, I hope you can tough it out and hold on to your business.



The point you both miss is that in some cases it is not safe to go to work, especially in industries where there is a lot of close physical contact. Paying people to stay home is in effect a way to combat a further spread of the pandemic, which by the way is more out of control everyday. You only see that people are home, but by staying home they are protecting others. If everyone went back to work our health system would quickly be over loaded. Those that can work at home should, those that need support during the pandemic should get it. Still you aren't addressing the problem of more and more workers with no jobs to put them in. How are you going to solve that problem? Tech leaders understand that in the future fewer workers are going to be needed, what do you do with the surplus? Have you really thought about that?


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Bob, I hope you can tough it out and hold on to your business.


Luckily Karaosoft doesn't have a lot of overhead. As long as there's enough to pay for the web servers, we'll keep running. I'd probably move to a cheaper place to live before letting the business fold. We just got a COVID relief loan from the SBA, but that basically just consolidated some debt and also isn't free. We have to pay it back. My next door neighbor got the $10k they were giving away to small businesses, but when I went to apply online, it was already all gone. Luck of the draw. At least I can still say I haven't taken a handout, but if one becomes available, yeah I'll take it just like everyone else.

No worries though. Sales are down but we're still making enough to survive without starving. Now that the vaccine distribution is only months away, we should easily survive until then. There are a lot of people in far worse shape than me right now. The sooner this is over, the better for everyone.


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Bob, I hope you can tough it out and hold on to your business.


Luckily Karaosoft doesn't have a lot of overhead. As long as there's enough to pay for the web servers, we'll keep running. I'd probably move to a cheaper place to live before letting the business fold. We just got a COVID relief loan from the SBA, but that basically just consolidated some debt and also isn't free. We have to pay it back. My next door neighbor got the $10k they were giving away to small businesses, but when I went to apply online, it was already all gone. Luck of the draw. At least I can still say I haven't taken a handout, but if one becomes available, yeah I'll take it just like everyone else.

No worries though. Sales are down but we're still making enough to survive without starving. Now that the vaccine distribution is only months away, we should easily survive until then. There are a lot of people in far worse shape than me right now. The sooner this is over, the better for everyone.


P.S. Hot off the wire, the Administration's position at least for the next 50 or so days is we don't need more stimulus. "We don't believe the recovery is in jeopardy". Is that the royal we? It is quite plain there are two recoveries going on at the same time. Wall Street v.s. Main Street. On Wall Street where less than 1% owns 50% of the stock, and another 10% own 42%, things look pretty good. The most of the rest of us poor Schmucks own the other 8%. On Main Street where most of us live out our lives, things aren't so good and they are going to get worse, fast. So everybody better pucker up, it is going to be a rough 8 to 9 months before we are back to normal. During this Holiday Season stay safe, oh and of course as usual since we are the commoners, prepare to get Scrooged once again. Seems by now they could run a Mac Truck through there and not even touch the walls.


Sales are down because people are running out of money! When things get desperate, you have now 14 million losing their unemployment benefits, evictions and foreclosures start coming fast and furious, food lines grow, and families are living on the streets in mass, while the stock market continues to go up, then we will have "Our come to Jesus moment", as a country?


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