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 Post subject: New PEP Lawsuits
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:59 pm 
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I'm sure there Might be more, but I found these three cases were filed in the last week:

Cotter's Lounge filed 3/22/17
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/missouri/moedce/4:2017cv01002/152972

Mike Duffy's Pub (Sportstime, Inc.) filed 3/17/17
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/missouri/moedce/4:2017cv00980/152907

Tumbleweeds Bar & Grill filed 3/15/17
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/calif ... 454/672653

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 Post subject: Re: New PEP Lawsuits
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SHOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THESE VENUES/DEFENDANTS ARE AWARE OF THE LATEST COURT RULINGS IN OTHER COURTS.


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8) I see one of the venue's is in California, I guess they have to save face and say see we are going back into a state, we lost in. Oh that's right Donna dropped the ball not our fault. All just window dressing and saber rattling nothing more.


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 Post subject: Re: New PEP Lawsuits
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8) I see one of the venue's is in California, I guess they have to save face and say see we are going back into a state, we lost in. Oh that's right Donna dropped the ball not our fault. All just window dressing and saber rattling nothing more.

They don't care about "saving face" and they don't care that they're going back into California because the objective of their company is "settlements" not "judgments."

They want the unknowing to settle with them before they ever find out they don't really have to.

A little education can go a long way.

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 Post subject: Re: New PEP Lawsuits
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8) Sort of like the 40 defendants that just walked away from the APS mess, and SC never refiled the cases. Those hosts are still playing today and bragging about how they beat SC aka PEP.


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 Post subject: Re: New PEP Lawsuits
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3 more lawsuits have popped up in Missouri:

March 28th
Phoenix Entertainment Partners, LLC v. @Nesbys Bar & Grill, LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/misso ... 118/153177

March 29th
Phoenix Entertainment Partners, LLC v. Sports Legends, LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/misso ... 209/153205

March 30th
Phoenix Entertainment Partners, LLC v. Kwench, LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/misso ... 213/153224


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8) Let's see that's six new suits out of a possible 50,000 or more, doesn't seem like much when you really think about it.


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yes LR, but we have berated them for inaction you can't go from inaction to hitting everyone in one shot. give credit for forward motion and let's see where it goes.
i'm not holding my breath personally, but finally doing something is something.

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 Post subject: Re: New PEP Lawsuits
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yes LR, but we have berated them for inaction you can't go from inaction to hitting everyone in one shot. give credit for forward motion and let's see where it goes.
i'm not holding my breath personally, but finally doing something is something.


He's not berating us for inaction. He's just being smug.

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yes LR, but we have berated them for inaction you can't go from inaction to hitting everyone in one shot. give credit for forward motion and let's see where it goes.
i'm not holding my breath personally, but finally doing something is something.


He's not berating us for inaction. He's just being smug.



8) Really Jim you call six suits action? What about the 40 suits that were just dropped in California, I know that was 5 years ago. Those were all set up for you all you had to do was refile them. Even out of this paltry number of suits you have filed, how many are you hoping will not go to court but rather be settled? The numbers would seem to favor the pirates since only a very small number will ever be sued. This goes back to all of this is just for show so you can sell a few more licenses, to the fearful.


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At this point the key is whether they win rather than how many suits they file.

They really need to have their ducks in a row and set the precedent they want set in Missouri.


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Two new ones to add to the list:

Filed April 12th
Phoenix Entertainment Partners, LLC v. Happy Hours, LLC d/b/a The Brew House et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/misso ... 304/153569

Filed April 13th
Phoenix Entertainment Partners, LLC v. Ryco Enterprises, LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/misso ... 306/153574


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let's see if this goes anywhere...

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3 more to add to the list, all in South Carolina:

Filed May 13th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Seminole Sports LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 242/235564

Filed May 17th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Dr Fofo LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 270/235628

Filed May 17th (Note different case number):
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. The Green Goat LLC, et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 269/235622

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1) I do not know anything about these cases: good or bad.
2) I do not know any of the defendants in either a business or personal relationship.
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Le sigh.....

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 Post subject: Re: New PEP Lawsuits
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Toastedmuffin wrote:
3 more to add to the list, all in South Carolina:

Filed May 13th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Seminole Sports LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 242/235564

Filed May 17th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Dr Fofo LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 270/235628

Filed May 17th (Note different case number):
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. The Green Goat LLC, et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 269/235622

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1) I do not know anything about these cases: good or bad.
2) I do not know any of the defendants in either a business or personal relationship.
3) I have posted these cases on this board for reference/informational purposes only.


Why are you including a 'disclaimer' in this post?

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djdon wrote:
Toastedmuffin wrote:
3 more to add to the list, all in South Carolina:

Filed May 13th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Seminole Sports LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 242/235564

Filed May 17th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Dr Fofo LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 270/235628

Filed May 17th (Note different case number):
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. The Green Goat LLC, et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 269/235622

FYI:
1) I do not know anything about these cases: good or bad.
2) I do not know any of the defendants in either a business or personal relationship.
3) I have posted these cases on this board for reference/informational purposes only.


Why are you including a 'disclaimer' in this post?

Really not such a bad idea since more than half the stuff posted on the net is pure garbage, and not very credible. :wink:


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mrmarog wrote:
djdon wrote:
Toastedmuffin wrote:
3 more to add to the list, all in South Carolina:

Filed May 13th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Seminole Sports LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 242/235564

Filed May 17th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Dr Fofo LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 270/235628

Filed May 17th (Note different case number):
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. The Green Goat LLC, et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 269/235622

FYI:
1) I do not know anything about these cases: good or bad.
2) I do not know any of the defendants in either a business or personal relationship.
3) I have posted these cases on this board for reference/informational purposes only.


Why are you including a 'disclaimer' in this post?

Really not such a bad idea since more than half the stuff posted on the net is pure garbage, and not very credible. :wink:


Agreed, but irrelevant to this post.
"Better safe than sorry" (Really not such a bad idea) is garbage, too. Being informed is the better way to be.

His 'disclaimers' don't mean a thing.
1. What if he DID know something about the cases?
2. What if he DID know any of the defendants?
3. For what other reason would he be posting here, other than to inform?

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djdon wrote:
mrmarog wrote:
djdon wrote:
Toastedmuffin wrote:
3 more to add to the list, all in South Carolina:

Filed May 13th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Seminole Sports LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 242/235564

Filed May 17th:
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. Dr Fofo LLC et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 270/235628

Filed May 17th (Note different case number):
Phoenix Entertainment Partners LLC v. The Green Goat LLC, et al
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/south ... 269/235622

FYI:
1) I do not know anything about these cases: good or bad.
2) I do not know any of the defendants in either a business or personal relationship.
3) I have posted these cases on this board for reference/informational purposes only.


Why are you including a 'disclaimer' in this post?

Really not such a bad idea since more than half the stuff posted on the net is pure garbage, and not very credible. :wink:


Agreed, but irrelevant to this post.
"Better safe than sorry" (Really not such a bad idea) is garbage, too. Being informed is the better way to be.

His 'disclaimers' don't mean a thing.
1. What if he DID know something about the cases?
2. What if he DID know any of the defendants?
3. For what other reason would he be posting here, other than to inform?


For #'s 1 & 2:
If I did know something about the cases or defendants, I would say so. If I knew them, I might be able to give some background, or I could at least tell you if I feel they deserve it or not.

For #3:
There is a lot of anti-PEP/SC feeling around here, and I have my own issues with PEP/SC but this list isn't one of them. It's just a where and when PEP filed cases against defendants. nothing more, nothing less. Those who wish to delve deeper into the listed cases at least have a starting point in which to do so.

So why do I do this?
There are plenty of reasons to post this information:
1) Most KJs aren't usually looking on Justia for any reason, so seeing it here puts the information closer to where it belongs.
2) These lawsuits affect the karaoke community, in both good and bad ways.
3) If I saw someone on the list I knew, I might inform them they they are about to have a legal issue on their hands, and hope you might too.
4) Maybe you might see that pirate you've been complaining about for years and feel a little better about the days to come.
5) Maybe you just want to know how much/little PEP is doing in your area.
6) While it is a tiny chance, maybe a pirate might change his stripes seeing someone HE knows got caught, and either goes legit, or gets out of the game.
7) Whatever you are thinking that I didn't cover. ;)

The bottom line is that hopefully someone finds the thread useful.

As for the disclaimer, if you feel it's irrelevant, then for you, it is. I just put it there to be honest that I have no skin in any of these cases. If I did, I can assure you I'd have more to say about it one way or another.


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8) The suits matter little unless you happen to be the one being sued. Hosts really don't have to worry since the emphasis of the legal actions as Jim has pointed out is the venues aka the deep pockets. If a pirate host is sued it is only collateral damage and not the main thrust of the suit. As Jim has pointed out many times now it makes little practical sense to go after the pirate hosts since they have no assets and can leave town at a moments notice, and setup shop somewhere else. Even PEP/SCE expects a return on their legal costs, and if they can not be realized, then all of this is a waste of time and resources.


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