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I am not a KIAA member/supporter at this time. Just 'splainin' why just being a member is no gaurantee of anything.

So, if I do have the original manufacturer's disc, and I bring that along with me, as well as a "home-burn" copy of that disc, would you play the copy?

What if I brought a "home-burn" disc of just music (no lyrics) and a copy of written permission from the manufacturer to make a copy of the originals?

I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOUND CHOICE'S DECISION TO FILE LAW SUITS AGAINST PEOPLE JUST FOR DISPLAYING THEIR LOGO and came up with a possible defense for this situation. Sound Choice has ONE logo. It is the same logo on every disc. If someone owns JUST ONE Sound Choice disc; don't they have the right to display the logo whenever they want to? The SC logo doesn't belong to each individual track that they sell. Does a KJ have to buy the logo 10,000 times to be able to show it? Things that make you go Hmmmmm.

I wonder if that means they could counter-sue SC for the expenses incurred in being audited?

Lucky thing they do not do carrier bags like most high street shops.

Neither a Kardboard KIAA membership nor the NON-BINDING "covenant" protect anyone from anything, nor does passing any vendor audit make anyone LEGAL.. As previously stated, the KIAA can't even produce a street address ( other than a PO mail drop), a person responsible for anything, or any credibility whatsoever- even to their members. So they don't count. The Covenant Not To Sue is not legally binding at all.

So the answer is, there is no protection from vendor harrassment. However, running a disc based show might minimize it.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I think they are catching on that disc doesn't necessarily mean pure. Our friends and we are both disc yet both have been approached at one time or another by other disc hosts who want to "borrow" songs to copy. We also once had someone venture in with his own custom that he said a disc host had burned for him. I had to order the songs so we wouldn't have to play it.

It is certainly easier to "show your discs" if you are bringing them to your shows. And people can see our labels aren't burns as we are just a few feet from the singer. But we have still been confused as being a computer show because my boyfriend uses his laptop for the master song list and to run the DMX lights. We have also had people try to tell us about new sites that make it easy to burn discs off the internet. Gee, thanks. I'm not sure just being disc is "Safe."

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I always laugh at these hosts that want to 'swap' libraries with me. Why the hell would I want my competition to have the stuff that I have that they cannot get? NOT going to happen. For fun I asked one guy what he had, his reply, the complete NuTech, SGB, Backstage, etc. - YEAH!!!!!! Fair trade for my Sound Choice, Chartbuster, PHM, etc.......NOT!

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I don't play customer discs...because I can't. I removed the CD from my show laptop and replaced it with a second hard drive for more internal space. I had three...maybe four requests in 2010 to play a customer disc and NONE were p!ssed when I said I couldn't. They just chose one of my versions. It's a non-issue to me.

We will play any customers original disc at our shows.....no burns,downloads.flashdrives or other media. Each of our systems contain a CDG player just for this purpose. We educate our singer as to the reason behind our decision on the front page of our songbook....we have had very little problems with this procedure

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I put this on the front page of my books.



I cannot play customer discs. Due to rampant piracy, karaoke manufacturers have begun filing lawsuits against KJs and venues. Investigators visit a karaoke show and log the songs played through the night(s). The manufacturer subsequently contacts the KJ and demands the KJ submit to a library audit. During said audit, if the KJ cannot produce an original disc for each song played during the night(s) in question, lawsuits are filed and settlement negotiations begin. So unless you are willing to donate your original disc to my library so I have it when the Karaoke Copyright Cops come knockin’, please sing what is in our library. Google “karaoke lawsuits Florida” if you would like more information.

Most of the people that bring discs in use original manu discs. Very few bring in burns anymore & those that do I let them know that I will not be able to play them anymore but will try to get their version (if possible) so they do not have to bring in their burns. Or will let them know where to get a legal disc to replace what they have. I will not stop playing customer originals.

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To date......not one lawsuit against a kj for playing a customer's disk, original or burned. If a law, state, federal or whatever, stated a kj was responsible for any customer's cdg he played, and by doing would take the heat for any copyrite infringements committed by that customer......I'd cease the practice.....

We always announce that the singer is singing off their own disc.

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CYA

I'm not sure an announcement would "CYA" during the audit when they ask for the disc.

In my twisted, paranoid mind it plays out like this:

... "Mr. KJ, we have here a picture of the stage taken by one of our investigators during the night in question clearly showing the (CB or SC) logo and song title 'X' on the television screen. Kindly produce said disc for us."

"Umm, I don't have it. I announced that I was playing a customer disc right before I played that song."

"Sure you did. Now sign here & hand over $7,000 or we're gonna sue your a$$."

I'm not sure if SC/CB would buy it or not. I'd just rather not find out. I have a pretty good library, so "disc-bringers" usually find something they like. If I only have a version a singer is unfamiliar with, I allow them to preview songs on the headphones to make sure they are comfortable before they go on stage.

I work in FL on Siesta Key (Sarasota Area) and have many seasonal and vacationing customers. I'd have a hell of a time tracking someone down to produce a disc.

With a library of over 26,000 songs (completely disc based), we're not too concerned. Also, if necessary, one could bring in witnesses or the singer, if you know them. Also an investigator who is caught in a lie could lose their licence and reputation.

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