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Okay, let's review this ONE MORE TIME for those that don't get it:



See that? In the United States, that means that your venue should be paying our "national music rights management" organizations: ASCAP, BMI or SESAC

They are the ones that license the stuff for commercial use.. with the commercial venues.

End of Story.

How many gazillion times does this have to be repeated?

What would be those circumstances, and how can you take action on Stingray's behalf??

And please, for once, don't just ignore me, Jim.

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Maybe i'm mistaken but I think the Gem set is not a purchased and owned product similar to the Chatrtbusters 12,000 song collection where you dish out approx 3k-5k and never own the product.

as far as I know anyone who owns the Chartbusters collection, they are all expired licenses.

looking for the source now...

Most sites say that because none of them "Own" the music. Go here for a better deal:
http://www.all-star-karaoke.com/our-services/licensing/

c. staley, you getting miss-informed. Contact them and ask them in these words "Can I use your tracks at my events? I am a Licensed Mobile DJ/KJ Company" and see what they say.

DO NOT use the word Commercial because that is a very big word and they need a more defined understanding of what you mean by "Commercial"

the zoom mp3+g DISCS are perfectly legal to purchase second hand from the UK all you need is someone who lives in the uk to buy them for you, and it's perfectly legal under the first sale doctrine to import them into the US or Canada.

As for karaoke version, they are perfectly fine with commercial use for their rights, all their disclaimer means is that the venue has to pay the PRO fees, which is not your resonsibility.

Now if your talking about their streaming service for karaofun I do believe they also have a pro version, but i have no clue how much it is, or if it would be legal to use in North America *somehow i don't think so*

It will be extremely interesting to see what happens to Tricerasoft if they are forced to take down the SBI catalog tho.

-James

Good grief. I don't "just ignore" you; the problem is that most of the time, what you post in relation to SC is a rude personal attack on us and our company, which I will ignore all day.

I did not say we would act on behalf of Stingray. I'm not sure it would even be legally possible to do so.

I cannot possibly enumerate all of the circumstances under which we would act, but you have to remember that KC tracks carry our trade dress (ex the SC logos) which they use by permission. Private uses don't constitute a trade dress infringement, but commercial use of tracks in a way that violates the KC license agreement would be a trade dress infringement, and if we saw that happen in the marketplace, we would likely consider taking action against the infringer.

Now, personally, I have never, not once, seen a KC track in commercial use, despite having attended hundreds of karaoke shows across the country over the last 6+ years. I *have* seen investigative reports that indicated their presence, but it was not necessary to use that focus for the lawsuit because there was much more use of SC tracks.

karaokeniagarafalls, I contacted Re-sound, AVLA, and CMRRA, and none of those entities are allowed to licence karaoke tracks for copying due to the Synchronization laws. They all said the same thing, you have to get permission from the copyright holders.

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If you've not talked with Michael from KSF/karaoke.net, I suggest you do. You'd know that they are in it for the long haul. They run Customburn.com in the UK (restricted US access) for YEARS and have acquired all necessary licensing to offer full downloads of their libraries (Party Tyme, Pocket Songs & Tropical Zone) for full kj use in the US on download, custom disc AND streaming options. Their site is live now for registration and will go active Nov 15th if all goes well. KSF Entertainment has been around A LONG TIME they are also run the KWC (Karaoke World Contest) each year since 2003. Their US offices opened last year for this new karaoke.net venture. So with the 3 brands they are offering will yield approximately 20,000+ karaoke tracks available for the KJ to use here in the US (yes PRO fees from the bars still need to be paid). They are actively taking song requests and have actually made several that were requested from this forum alone that will be available upon their launch!

https://www.facebook.com/karaokenetonline/

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The site www.karaoke.net is up and only taking email submissions as others have pointed out. The web site registration shows the auto-renewal date every January and has done so for several years going back to 1999. Those wishing to submit an email now will get a sneak peek access to it before it is live to the general public.

I've never heard of Tropical Zone, and I haven't purchased a Party Tyme or Pocket Songs disc in about a decade. I remember them being very poor quality. Have they gotten better?

I have been very pleased with SBI and find their instrumentation comparable with the quality we used to get from Sound Choice. I get my music almost exclusively from karaoke-downloads.ca with karaoke-version as a back up.

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the pro subscription is 129 usd or 149 cad for 21000 unique songs that includes all software installs on many platforms.

I've decided on going that way.

Tropical Zone is a Spanish/Latino source. Pocket Songs were never bad as a rule & Party Tyme was as good as any other with of course hits & misses like any other brand. Their new rock stuff that they just did sound great. All requests from this forum too.
Here are sample clips of those requests
https://www.facebook.com/karaokenetonli ... =2&theater

https://www.facebook.com/karaokenetonli ... =2&theater

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what you typed just above in the quote I have mentioned that earlier in another post. it is up to the manufacturers of the karaoke music to determine how they want there products used. Re-sound just collects royalty fees from us as KJ's under the karaoke area.

The trade dress isn't yours anymore, though. It now belongs to KC. How can you sue over it's use? That makes no sense.

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Re-Sound, etc have nothing to do with karaoke and do not licence it so they cannot collect any fees.

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Give PEP.rock a call and find out from the real "source." They are not the evil guys some make them out to be.

Now that they own Chartbuster I'm hoping I can get certified. I only own 50 original Sound Choice disc, but I have 2,467 Chartbuster songs collected from KJMediaProHD, CAVS, USB and disc.

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This is true for straight music tracks (sound recordings).

It is not true for audiovisual works, which include sound recordings plus a video component, no matter how many gazillion times you repeat it.

No, we still own the trade dress (the logos, the layouts, and the particular methods of cueing the singer, among other elements).

The Sound Choice® GEM series is licensed, not sold. When you purchase a license, you are provided with the right to possess a specific set of discs, together with a set of permissions regarding the use of those discs, for a specific term. The initial term is 5 years, and renewals are 3 years each. However, unlike a lease or rental, as long as you continue to honor the requirements of the contract, you alone have the right to determine whether to renew the term, and the renewal fee is no more than $100 per three years. In other words, we can't take the discs away from you unless you violate the terms of the agreement in some material respect.

The first few GEM series contracts entered their second terms this year. To date, I believe we have been waiving the renewal fee, although it is possible we may begin enforcing it.

We are working on reviving the CB certification program and will release more information once we have a plan. We will probably release tentative details of the plan before the program actually starts so we can get feedback from customers.

EDIT: After reviewing this, I realized that the question I answered was slightly different from the question that was asked about CB. As far as I am aware, all of the publisher licenses used to make CB product are now expired. However, particular discs or other media that were made and first sold in connection with a publisher license continue to be legit even after the licenses expire.

What a shame!! A perfectly good place to BUY Karaoke music, and it has to be under police protection. Definitely a damned shame.

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