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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:21 am 
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I was talking to someone at The Eagles club about karaoke and told them make sure you hire someone who is operating legally otherwise you may risk a copyright infringement lawsuit. They said that they're not affected because they are a private club, so I would like to know...

Are clubs such as The Eagles, The Moose, VFW, Knights of Columbus, etc. exempt from paying PRO fees?

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Can a club be sued for copyright infringement if their KJ is operating illegally?

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Yep, they have to pay PRO fees just like everyone else or they are just as much a target to be sued by publishers as anyone else - though not as common. Even private events - if they are held in a public area or site (like a hotel) still need to pay these fees - though these are harder to enforce, but has still been an occasional case.

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Alan B wrote:
I was talking to someone at The Eagles club about karaoke and told them make sure you hire someone who is operating legally otherwise you may risk a copyright infringement lawsuit. They said that they're not affected because they are a private club, so I would like to know...

Are clubs such as The Eagles, The Moose, VFW, Knights of Columbus, etc. exempt from paying PRO fees?

and also...

Can a club be sued for copyright infringement if their KJ is operating illegally?

While they claim to be a private club, I believe that inviting in the public for events like karaoke makes the event a public event which definitely opens up a can of worms.

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Although they may require a membership of their regular customers, as soon as they start allowing the general public in they are then a PUBLIC VENUE and are required to pay their fees (Probably even if no general public is invited) and hence would be subject to potential investigation and lawsuits.

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One can not even own a warehouse and have working employees present and broadcast radio without paying fees even if the general public is not allowed in. It enhances your business and goodness knows the league'l-a-b'eagles will have nun of that without compensational oversight. That's by their own letters of the louse.

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WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE LOCAL VFW IS GOING TO BE SUED BECAUSE THEY HAD A PIRATE KJ HOST A SHOW AT THEIR CLUB? My guess would be highly unlikely. If one of these clubs would have been served with a law suit over the last ten years; I'm sure that we would have all heard about it.


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Lonnie, didn't an elk or moose lodge get hit by SC back about 5-6 years?

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I have no idea if the Elks, Moose, KofColumbus are exempt from paying pro fees, ascap, bmi’s; but I come across this article/memo from the VFW Minnesota State Commander:

"Both ASCAP and BMI have recognized the exemption of VFW Posts where proper notice has been given by the Post that they meet the following exemption requirements:

1. The function wherein live music is performed must be limited to VFW and Auxiliary members and their bonafide guests and not open to the general public.

2. All profit, after paying reasonable costs of producing the performance, must be used for charitable purposes.

ASCAP/BMI INVOICES: Because ASCAP and BMI have no way of knowing if a Post meets the licensing exemption requirements of Public Law 97-366, posts may continue to receive Invoices for license fees, so long as Posts continue to meet the two following exemption requirements, they should return the invoices and write “Exempt under Public Law 97-366” on the invoice.

ASCAP and BMI have ‘stepped’ up their visits to Post Clubrooms and functions. Your Post MUST maintain a ‘Closed Door’ policy and patronage should be limited to Members and Bonafide Guests".


https://vfw5518.files.wordpress.com/200 ... s-2015.pdf

:lol: Last paragraph basically saying: “Non-member? No Enter!”. :lol:

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NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS KIND OF THREAD AND WHAT SOUND CHOICE USED TO DO. Spread enough fear to make people think twice about entering the karaoke biz, FAKE NEWS!!! 90% OF KJs are pirates according to PEP anyway so it looks like the fear tactics are failing big time.


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