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mrscott
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:37 am |
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jdmeister wrote: Dakota wrote: mrscott wrote: The bar owner bought the bar because that is where she met her husband, and he died. So she bought it basically for sentimental reasons. I think she believes that if she changes it, then he won't be there anymore. It's kind of sad in a way, but also very special, especially if you knew her husband. He was a great man that everyone admired and loves. Also, a couple of years ago, she got diagnosed with cancer (she beat it, but at a cost). If it weren't for her two daughters stepping up and working there to help cut costs and run the place in her weakened state. I truly do admire her, but I wish she could have a financial partner that had deep pockets and a great heart. Hey, I can wish can't I? That is quite a story. Wishing is good. Anything can happen. You never know what the future holds. Maybe her daughters can call Bar Rescue (Have you ever watched it?). This bar seems like a perfect candidate for the show!!! Omg!!! I am completely serious. The backstory, owner stuck in the past, the illness, the potential, lack of funds, food not great, the daughter coming in to help... Again, omg!!! Sadly, Reality Shows Are Not Real. The are "Technically" Scripted Reality. There Is Too Much Money In Producing A TV Show To Allow Any Flub Ups. Bar Rescue Is Just Like All The Others, FAKE. Ask Me How I Know.. While I do agree that the show is scripted for sure, not many people are stupid enough to believe that they aren't. However, Bar Rescue does what is shown in the end... they "rescue bars". The one that I mentioned that was done in Utah, I have been to personally and witnessed what the show has done for them and how they are following the guidelines set out by Taffer. It doesn't mean that they cannot incorporate newer and fresher ideas into the overall scheme of operation, because it still is "their" bar, not Taffers. Unless they don't pay back the money that was spent by Taffer to make the changes. Bar Rescue may be scripted, but it is certainly NOT "fake". Real people, real bars with real problems coming up with real solutions.
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jdmeister
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:53 am |
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mrscott wrote: jdmeister wrote: Dakota wrote: mrscott wrote: The bar owner bought the bar because that is where she met her husband, and he died. So she bought it basically for sentimental reasons. I think she believes that if she changes it, then he won't be there anymore. It's kind of sad in a way, but also very special, especially if you knew her husband. He was a great man that everyone admired and loves. Also, a couple of years ago, she got diagnosed with cancer (she beat it, but at a cost). If it weren't for her two daughters stepping up and working there to help cut costs and run the place in her weakened state. I truly do admire her, but I wish she could have a financial partner that had deep pockets and a great heart. Hey, I can wish can't I? That is quite a story. Wishing is good. Anything can happen. You never know what the future holds. Maybe her daughters can call Bar Rescue (Have you ever watched it?). This bar seems like a perfect candidate for the show!!! Omg!!! I am completely serious. The backstory, owner stuck in the past, the illness, the potential, lack of funds, food not great, the daughter coming in to help... Again, omg!!! Sadly, Reality Shows Are Not Real. The are "Technically" Scripted Reality. There Is Too Much Money In Producing A TV Show To Allow Any Flub Ups. Bar Rescue Is Just Like All The Others, FAKE. Ask Me How I Know.. While I do agree that the show is scripted for sure, not many people are stupid enough to believe that they aren't. However, Bar Rescue does what is shown in the end... they "rescue bars". The one that I mentioned that was done in Utah, I have been to personally and witnessed what the show has done for them and how they are following the guidelines set out by Taffer. It doesn't mean that they cannot incorporate newer and fresher ideas into the overall scheme of operation, because it still is "their" bar, not Taffers. Unless they don't pay back the money that was spent by Taffer to make the changes. Bar Rescue may be scripted, but it is certainly NOT "fake". Real people, real bars with real problems coming up with real solutions. I agree "Some" May be real (People/bars/etc) However, if you actually watch the show, it becomes obvious there can't be that many stupid people with enough cash to start a bar. I worked in film/T V for many years, and I can say, "The Majority are made up". It's called "Drama". I'm still in the producing arena, and have a pretty good idea how this stuff works. If you see "Pickers" finding exotic collectables for every show, I suspect their crew made all the price arrangements prior to taping. (Just Sayin') I'm writing a blog right now on film production. Both Film and TV. It's a select group of special skill sets required to complete a quality project, regardless of the intended market. Yes. I said "Market", because if you can't sell it, WTF are you doing filming it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:29 am |
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"In Pawn Stars, everything is set up in advance. The store and the seller have already decided on a price or if they won't buy it. Knowing this fact ruined the show for me, to be honest."
"This was MANY years ago, but a friend of ours had a job on Wheel of Fortune. He had to lie underneath the huge wheel the contestants spin. The producers would radio him and tell him which $$$/prize to stop on and he’d grab the handles underneath and stop it where they wanted it to stop."
"Back when American Idol first started, they really wanted people to believe ALL the auditioners were seen by the TV judges. When I auditioned, we were all lined up in multiple lines to see preliminary judges (there were maybe 10 lines set up with two each), and they very deliberately passed on good singers for the TV audition in favor of gimmicks, like costumed people and people singing out of tune. Instead of giving talented people a chance and taking the opportunity to filter out the wrong people, they just went with what they thought would make good TV with a few really great singers sprinkled in. I remember posting something about it on their website (we didn’t have much social media back then) and it was deleted by their moderator."
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:40 pm |
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jdmeister wrote: "In Pawn Stars, everything is set up in advance. The store and the seller have already decided on a price or if they won't buy it. Knowing this fact ruined the show for me, to be honest."
"This was MANY years ago, but a friend of ours had a job on Wheel of Fortune. He had to lie underneath the huge wheel the contestants spin. The producers would radio him and tell him which $$$/prize to stop on and he’d grab the handles underneath and stop it where they wanted it to stop."
"Back when American Idol first started, they really wanted people to believe ALL the auditioners were seen by the TV judges. When I auditioned, we were all lined up in multiple lines to see preliminary judges (there were maybe 10 lines set up with two each), and they very deliberately passed on good singers for the TV audition in favor of gimmicks, like costumed people and people singing out of tune. Instead of giving talented people a chance and taking the opportunity to filter out the wrong people, they just went with what they thought would make good TV with a few really great singers sprinkled in. I remember posting something about it on their website (we didn’t have much social media back then) and it was deleted by their moderator." I agree that pretty much all of these "reality shows", are not totally honest about the outcome or objectives. Yes, it's all about ratings and creating some dramatic content for the viewers. Here are some of the known examples: Storage Wars got in trouble for "salting" some units (placing items inside units before filming" American Pickers kind of did the same thing as Storage Wars, but didn't get in any real trouble for it. American Idol, did exactly what you describe above with pre-pre-qualifying contestants all in the name of "ratings". Wheel of Fortune admitted to what you said. Even Bar Rescue has people go in ahead of filming to instruct people on how to create dramatic situations and personalities. You are right, there can't be that many really incredibly stupid bar owners,,,or can there??? There are others. With that said,,, not "all" of it is bogus either. Some people, situations, and outcomes are for real. Like the bar in Utah that was "rescued",, or Dimples in your neck of the woods JD..it was rescued, but soon closed it's doors when the owner couldn't change his ways. But, JD,, this is really getting off topic. Maybe we should be coming up with ideas on how to revive this forum instead of beating those dead horses again. Something has to change. (sidebar JD,,, take a look at my request to change status to "KJ's" instead of normal member. I requested that months ago, and you haven't fixed my request. Do I need to call your boss?? ![lol lol](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) )
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:37 am |
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Why don't we just go back to Laser Discs and SitComs! ![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:57 pm |
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I honestly stopped posting regularly in around the covid time then sporadically after that since we had to move in 2021 to an area with terrible cell service and no internet access at the time. I finally got back good internet within the last couple months. Facebook groups are my main gotos now. Lots of the same people that used to be here.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:58 pm |
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Lonman wrote: I honestly stopped posting regularly in around the covid time then sporadically after that since we had to move in 2021 to an area with terrible cell service and no internet access at the time. I finally got back good internet within the last couple months. Facebook groups are my main gotos now. Lots of the same people that used to be here. Lonman, does that mean that you have stopped being a moderator on here?
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:05 pm |
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I don't think so, but I rarely was able to get on to do anything. I should be able to get on for spam control and what not more frequently
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:25 pm |
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Lonman wrote: I don't think so, but I rarely was able to get on to do anything. I should be able to get on for spam control and what not more frequently Good to know ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif) Welcome back from the dead!!
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:39 am |
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WB Lonman! Nice to see you posting, I think FB groups are great, but this is a truly global page, nice to see POV from other side of the world.
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:46 pm |
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Lonman wrote: I don't think so, but I rarely was able to get on to do anything. I should be able to get on for spam control and what not more frequently Twenty spammers just now.. (Gone)
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jdmeister wrote: "In Pawn Stars, everything is set up in advance. The store and the seller have already decided on a price or if they won't buy it. Knowing this fact ruined the show for me, to be honest."
"This was MANY years ago, but a friend of ours had a job on Wheel of Fortune. He had to lie underneath the huge wheel the contestants spin. The producers would radio him and tell him which $$$/prize to stop on and he’d grab the handles underneath and stop it where they wanted it to stop."
"Back when American Idol first started, they really wanted people to believe ALL the auditioners were seen by the TV judges. When I auditioned, we were all lined up in multiple lines to see preliminary judges (there were maybe 10 lines set up with two each), and they very deliberately passed on good singers for the TV audition in favor of gimmicks, like costumed people and people singing out of tune. Instead of giving talented people a chance and taking the opportunity to filter out the wrong people, they just went with what they thought would make good TV with a few really great singers sprinkled in. I remember posting something about it on their website (we didn’t have much social media back then) and it was deleted by their moderator." Speaking of non reality.... A few years back, a friend of my son, a couple in the Phx area were asked to do the show House Hunters. The one where a couple looks at 3 houses and decides which one to buy. It was so reality real that they had already purchased the house BEFORE the taping!! ![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:33 pm |
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sanj wrote: jdmeister wrote: "In Pawn Stars, everything is set up in advance. The store and the seller have already decided on a price or if they won't buy it. Knowing this fact ruined the show for me, to be honest."
"This was MANY years ago, but a friend of ours had a job on Wheel of Fortune. He had to lie underneath the huge wheel the contestants spin. The producers would radio him and tell him which $$$/prize to stop on and he’d grab the handles underneath and stop it where they wanted it to stop."
"Back when American Idol first started, they really wanted people to believe ALL the auditioners were seen by the TV judges. When I auditioned, we were all lined up in multiple lines to see preliminary judges (there were maybe 10 lines set up with two each), and they very deliberately passed on good singers for the TV audition in favor of gimmicks, like costumed people and people singing out of tune. Instead of giving talented people a chance and taking the opportunity to filter out the wrong people, they just went with what they thought would make good TV with a few really great singers sprinkled in. I remember posting something about it on their website (we didn’t have much social media back then) and it was deleted by their moderator." Speaking of non reality.... A few years back, a friend of my son, a couple in the Phx area were asked to do the show House Hunters. The one where a couple looks at 3 houses and decides which one to buy. It was so reality real that they had already purchased the house BEFORE the taping!! ![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif) Lol
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NashvilleNights wrote: I've only joined recently, but in my opinion I think Karaoke is on decline in my town, and I live very close to Nashville. I'm guilty myself for no longer getting out and enjoying a night of Karaoke with friends, maybe because i'm a little older now, and maybe because I have a system that's better than most systems others use in the local clubs. And I get it, it's not feasable for someone to spend thousands of dollars on a top notch system when the clubs will only pay $150 for 3 hours of hosting around here, and you risk getting your expensive mic's damaged from drunk patrons thinking it's cute to pull the "drop the mic trick". Karaoke for me will always be a part of my life. As a professional songwriter/vocalist, it's the best way to keep your voice and breathing strong. If it weren't for Karaoke, I would have never progressed to being a musician and writing songs that actually make a decent amount of Royalty money... I hate to see it decline, because I enjoy running into talented vocalist that amaze me with their singing. Back in the day, it was not uncommon for a karaoke host to make $500 per night. That was the going rate and bars paid it. Because of piracy, and shady hosts undercutting each other, the going rate dropped to $150. And you are right about your system being better. Most hosts use entry level equipment or "toys", which is inferior to anything professional. And most have no clue how to run a board and make a singer sound great. The point is, sound is your business. Yet, most hosts don't care. I have always spared no expense when it comes to equipment. A digital mixer and 2 Evolve 50 speakers. That's around $5000 worth of sound equipment. But the reward is the continuous stream of compliments from customers raving about my sound and telling me that you have the best sound around. And that's part of business. Provide an awesome experience for your singers and make them sound good. The thing is, 99% of the people hosting karaoke should not be doing so. I can't blame you for enjoying your system at home.
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Alan B wrote: NashvilleNights wrote: I've only joined recently, but in my opinion I think Karaoke is on decline in my town, and I live very close to Nashville. I'm guilty myself for no longer getting out and enjoying a night of Karaoke with friends, maybe because i'm a little older now, and maybe because I have a system that's better than most systems others use in the local clubs. And I get it, it's not feasable for someone to spend thousands of dollars on a top notch system when the clubs will only pay $150 for 3 hours of hosting around here, and you risk getting your expensive mic's damaged from drunk patrons thinking it's cute to pull the "drop the mic trick". Karaoke for me will always be a part of my life. As a professional songwriter/vocalist, it's the best way to keep your voice and breathing strong. If it weren't for Karaoke, I would have never progressed to being a musician and writing songs that actually make a decent amount of Royalty money... I hate to see it decline, because I enjoy running into talented vocalist that amaze me with their singing. Back in the day, it was not uncommon for a karaoke host to make $500 per night. That was the going rate and bars paid it. Because of piracy, and shady hosts undercutting each other, the going rate dropped to $150. And you are right about your system being better. Most hosts use entry level equipment or "toys", which is inferior to anything professional. And most have no clue how to run a board and make a singer sound great. The point is, sound is your business. Yet, most hosts don't care. I have always spared no expense when it comes to equipment. A digital mixer and 2 Evolve 50 speakers. That's around $5000 worth of sound equipment. But the reward is the continuous stream of compliments from customers raving about my sound and telling me that you have the best sound around. And that's part of business. Provide an awesome experience for your singers and make them sound good. The thing is, 99% of the people hosting karaoke should not be doing so. I can't blame you for enjoying your system at home. The "Going Price" Seems to be a moving target. The Dreaded "Inflation" devalues the dollar, the increased prices for hardware and software make inflation real in your wallet. I subbed for another KJ, 2 hour show, $300. As you know, 2 hours does not include drive time, setup, mic checks, show running late, tear down, and drive home. Yes, I was able to sub for my friend, as she had surgery on her leg. I was glad to do it. But, She should be paid more.. As for me, I work for free most days. The latest news is, she wants to spend $$$$$$$$$$ on a new lighter system, to ease the setup issues. While I agree in principal, she probably should rethink this. The declining revenue may not provide the revenue she desires. Like I said, It's A Moving Target. Attachment:
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