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 Post subject: Musicians VS Karaoke
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:19 pm 
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It is amazing to be how many so call musicians hate karaoke..I do agree that there are some bad and really bad singers that do karaoke..but at the same time I have heard some great singers as well. Now I also know ALOT musicians who can not sing or will not depending..so where do they get off judging someone...anyone can learn to play drums...guitar...piano...ect....vocals are something you have or you dont..its that simple...plus Ive met alot of musicians who CANT even read music.
Karaoke has never been for the professional singer...its for people who want to sing regardless of how they sound good or bad...Music is the one the that we all have in common..we love music.
All Im saying is both Musicians and Karaoke both have the advantages and disadvantages as well


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I do agree that there are some bad and really bad singers that do karaoke..

...and this is what gives karaoke a bad name. Since there are usually more bad singers than good singers, the non singing patrons of the bar don't like it. They don't want to listen to the whiners, screamers, and people who can't sing worth a lick. I've seen people leave the bar because they could not tolerate it. Now, although karaoke is supposed to be about having fun... it's not much fun for the non singing patrons who have to listen to it.

Fortunately for me, I usually have more good singers than bad. Some are star quality. But when that's not the case, I've been instructed by the bar owners, to interject some dance music. So, if I have 2 or 3 bad singers in a row, I'll break it up by playing an upbeat dance tune next. This seems to please everyone in the bar.

Remember, we are hired to bring in customers and keep them coming back so the bar can make money. We don't want anyone leaving... so sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.

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I can count on my hand the number of bad singers that I have had and they are usually the ones that don't return. I believe that despite all of us being welcoming to all singers that the ones who don't return is just because they feel like they don't belong because of all of the good singers.

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It's more about the fact that karaoke often replaces what were band nights because they can basically get entertainment cheap, thus replacing bands that can cost the venue up to 3-4x more. That is where the hate for karaoke from musicians come from.

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Lonman wrote:
It's more about the fact that karaoke often replaces what were band nights because they can basically get entertainment cheap, thus replacing bands that can cost the venue up to 3-4x more. That is where the hate for karaoke from musicians come from.

I can agree with that


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It's more about the fact that karaoke often replaces what were band nights because they can basically get entertainment cheap, thus replacing bands that can cost the venue up to 3-4x more. That is where the hate for karaoke from musicians come from.


Lonman You are correct... Takes away from the crowd that would possibly be listening to Live Music... and yes it's less costly to the bars!!


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sanj wrote:
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It's more about the fact that karaoke often replaces what were band nights because they can basically get entertainment cheap, thus replacing bands that can cost the venue up to 3-4x more. That is where the hate for karaoke from musicians come from.


Lonman You are correct... Takes away from the crowd that would possibly be listening to Live Music... and yes it's less costly to the bars!!

And they get more entertainment value, real and comically, for the buck because even if the host takes a DJ break the entertainment is constant while there's down time with a band from the real entertainment.

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DannyG2006 wrote:
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Lonman wrote:
It's more about the fact that karaoke often replaces what were band nights because they can basically get entertainment cheap, thus replacing bands that can cost the venue up to 3-4x more. That is where the hate for karaoke from musicians come from.


Lonman You are correct... Takes away from the crowd that would possibly be listening to Live Music... and yes it's less costly to the bars!!

And they get more entertainment value, real and comically, for the buck because even if the host takes a DJ break the entertainment is constant while there's down time with a band from the real entertainment.

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GK Productions wrote:
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sanj wrote:
Lonman wrote:
It's more about the fact that karaoke often replaces what were band nights because they can basically get entertainment cheap, thus replacing bands that can cost the venue up to 3-4x more. That is where the hate for karaoke from musicians come from.


Lonman You are correct... Takes away from the crowd that would possibly be listening to Live Music... and yes it's less costly to the bars!!

And they get more entertainment value, real and comically, for the buck because even if the host takes a DJ break the entertainment is constant while there's down time with a band from the real entertainment.

Good Point

Even though a band costs more, a good band (with a following) can bring in a lot more money for the bar than a karaoke night.

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Alan B wrote:
GK Productions wrote:
DannyG2006 wrote:
sanj wrote:
Lonman wrote:
It's more about the fact that karaoke often replaces what were band nights because they can basically get entertainment cheap, thus replacing bands that can cost the venue up to 3-4x more. That is where the hate for karaoke from musicians come from.


Lonman You are correct... Takes away from the crowd that would possibly be listening to Live Music... and yes it's less costly to the bars!!

And they get more entertainment value, real and comically, for the buck because even if the host takes a DJ break the entertainment is constant while there's down time with a band from the real entertainment.

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Even though a band costs more, a good band (with a following) can bring in a lot more money for the bar than a karaoke night.

that all depends if the bar is charging a cover charge for the band..which alot of the times they will for bands ...but...for karaoke they wont.


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Alan B wrote:
GK Productions wrote:
DannyG2006 wrote:
sanj wrote:
Lonman wrote:
It's more about the fact that karaoke often replaces what were band nights because they can basically get entertainment cheap, thus replacing bands that can cost the venue up to 3-4x more. That is where the hate for karaoke from musicians come from.


Lonman You are correct... Takes away from the crowd that would possibly be listening to Live Music... and yes it's less costly to the bars!!

And they get more entertainment value, real and comically, for the buck because even if the host takes a DJ break the entertainment is constant while there's down time with a band from the real entertainment.

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Even though a band costs more, a good band (with a following) can bring in a lot more money for the bar than a karaoke night.
Right, however 'good' bands are not cheap to begin with and are usually not as readily available on a weekly basis - which would also lose some of their desire if they were playing in the same place night after night. Cheaper bands that aren't as good, don't draw the crowds sometimes costing the bar money because there is no desire to see them, bar still has to pay but may not make it back up in cover fees - for which lesser known bands, bars tend to charge less cover because they know they won't be a huge crowd. Sure they usually have their own little niche following but typically not enough to make it worth anything. Karaoke can (and does) come in cheaper, is consistent even week after week in the same place. This can be the lure because singers always know where to go.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:54 am 
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Totally Agree


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Lonman wrote:
Karaoke can (and does) come in cheaper, is consistent even week after week in the same place. This can be the lure because singers always know where to go.

That was my lure as a singer. In fact, if it weren't such a regular thing at the local bars, I wouldn't have been able to get to know the local KJs so well and eventually make apps to make their jobs easier. If they were only random gigs here and there, I never could have got to know them so well. It also made me realize when it came time to make a decision about whether making software for karaoke would be a viably profitable business, I remember thinking about all the pros and cons of it, and I came to a lot of the same conclusions Lonman did.

Karaoke is just one of those rare things that is very balanced when it comes to keeping everyone happy. It makes KJs happier than DJs or Bands because it's not all about them and it's more consistent work. It makes venues happier about the crowd type and the consistency. KJs also tend not to have the egos that Bands and DJs have. It makes the crowds happier because they get a variety of music, AND get to participate! Who wouldn't love that?

There's really nothing bad to say about karaoke. Even if someone thought there were, they would be crazy to say it on this forum. :)


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I have a friend who is a professional musician. I try to bring him to karaoke because we both like to sing, but he doesn't have a very good time because he can't stand "bad" singers. He can't appreciate the "just have fun" aspect of karaoke night. I actually really enjoy a lot of the amateur singers at karaoke, I think it's entertaining to watch someone with a "bad" voice singing. As long as they are trying and having fun, I think it's great entertainment. Some of my favorite singers to watch are the worst ones. I like the mix of different voices you hear in a night at karaoke, and the variety of songs people pick. The spontaneity of drunk people stepping out of their comfort zone. He just doesn't understand that though.


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