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 Post subject: Re: vocal removers
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:23 am 
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What do you think about vocal remover audionamix?


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All vocal removers work on the same premise and that is cancelling out like frequency waves that exist on both channels and are completely dependent on how the original recording was engineered to begin with, some will work great, some will work ok and some will work eh - and any kind of monaural recording - forget about it. I don't see this service being anything better or worse than anything out on the market today.

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 Post subject: Re: vocal removers
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Lonman wrote:
All vocal removers work on the same premise and that is cancelling out like frequency waves that exist on both channels and are completely dependent on how the original recording was engineered to begin with, some will work great, some will work ok and some will work eh - and any kind of monaural recording - forget about it. I don't see this service being anything better or worse than anything out on the market today.


I agree mostly, but the stage position setting in Vogone can be a game changer. I've pulled up some that sucked at center stage. Shift left or shift right and you can sometimes find a sweet spot that makes a huge difference.


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 Post subject: Re: vocal removers
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What surprises me is that anyone would think that using a track whose sound recording has been altered and rerecorded and used in any situation other than home use is in any way shape or form legal. What amazes me even more however is that Lacey Thompson hasn't been sued by a major label yet. He's been doing this for many years, as far back as I can remember with his little classified ads in Musician, and Mix, etc. going back to at least the early 80s.

In any event I highly doubt that any engineer/producer would pan vocal tracks in such a way so as to make it more difficult for "vocal eliminators" to do their thing. There are new techniques that trend all the time and one technique in particular currently in use by many top engineers is to stack the vocals. This is done by taking the vocal track and panning it 45 degrees to one side, then copying that track and delaying it approximately 15 ms and panning that track 45 degrees to the opposite side, all the while EQing the opposite track differently as they're being stacked. I've used this technique myself and depending on a number of variables, have stacked vocals as many as 4 times for a lead vocal. Many times more of course for chorused vocals, etc. I can well imagine that recording lead vocals using this one technique would play havoc with a "vocal eliminator".

The main reason that the reverb tracks remain in the recording is because reverb tracks are almost never panned straight up and down and are often times EQ'd differently as well.


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I have used Audionamix's TRAX Pro 3 and XTRAX STEMS to remove vocals from songs. TRAX Pro takes much more time and effort to master but gives pretty good results.

https://audionamix.com/technology/adx-trax/

XTRAX STEMS is a simplified version that has less editing options, but can be useful if you are short on time. It can even remove drums from a song as well as vocals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBQnGArIliQ
https://audionamix.com/technology/xtrax-stems/


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What surprises me is that anyone would think that using a track whose sound recording has been altered and rerecorded and used in any situation other than home use is in any way shape or form legal. What amazes me even more however is that Lacey Thompson hasn't been sued by a major label yet. He's been doing this for many years, as far back as I can remember with his little classified ads in Musician, and Mix, etc. going back to at least the early 80s.

In any event I highly doubt that any engineer/producer would pan vocal tracks in such a way so as to make it more difficult for "vocal eliminators" to do their thing. There are new techniques that trend all the time and one technique in particular currently in use by many top engineers is to stack the vocals. This is done by taking the vocal track and panning it 45 degrees to one side, then copying that track and delaying it approximately 15 ms and panning that track 45 degrees to the opposite side, all the while EQing the opposite track differently as they're being stacked. I've used this technique myself and depending on a number of variables, have stacked vocals as many as 4 times for a lead vocal. Many times more of course for chorused vocals, etc. I can well imagine that recording lead vocals using this one technique would play havoc with a "vocal eliminator".

The main reason that the reverb tracks remain in the recording is because reverb tracks are almost never panned straight up and down and are often times EQ'd differently as well.


By most estimates; 90% of all KJs are pirates. These pirates have hundreds of thousands of karaoke tracks on their hard drives but you think that they are above using a track that has had the vocals reduced? That's almost as funny as asking the murder suspect to swear to tell the truth "so help me God". He has no issue with murder for hire but he would NEVER tell a lie. LOL


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