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 Post subject: Re: Signs of recovery
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We are a country divided rather than united. We forget the old saying "United we stand Divided we Fall.

This is so true. The phrase "In Unity There Is Strength" means nothing. Not everyone wants to come together. Just look at the foolish mindset of some people who refuse to wear masks, claiming it takes away their freedoms. Well, this has nothing to do with taking away your freedom, it has to do with saving lives and eradicating the Corona Virus.

We are definitely a divided country. And that's why we will never be able to win this battle.
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Right now during this pandemic we can't on this forum agree if having karaoke in a public setting is a good thing, or a public health menace?

We all know that it is NOT a good thing right now. We all know that going to a bar is taking a risk but again, some people just don't care.

At this time... not only should bars be closed, but the whole country should be closed.

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 Post subject: Re: Signs of recovery
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As far as recovery is concerned the numbers do not seem to favor returning to normal anytime soon. We have gone over the 153,000 death mark concerning Covid-19, over 4 million infections. There are now 21 states in the red danger zone on the map, including Mr. Scott's home state of Utah, and much of the president's base in the deep old Confederate South. This administration is still not responding to the virus in a united manner, and we continue to go down the piece meal rabbit hole. We are not out of the first wave, Fall and Winter are looming up ahead. There is little doubt in my mind that the next election cycle will see the defeat of the status quo, the question is can we use this opportunity to finally change long term structurally this country so it finally works for everybody, not just the few wealthy connected special interests?


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A further note the Harvard Medical School has just advised that 13 states need to lock down, like right now. Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arizona, Tennessee, Georgia, Nevada, South Carolina, Texas, Idaho, Arkansas, and Oklahoma. So I guess if you don't get it right the first time, try, try, try again?


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The last quarter GDP numbers are finally out. For those that were waiting for signs of recovery, the numbers don't look good the GDP fell by 32.9%, if the trend continues this year would be worse than the height of The Great Depression in 1932, when GDP fell over 12% for the entire year. Still adjusted for the one quarter it represents nearly a 10% drop which for one quarter, is very near the 12% mark. You have to remember the GDP was much smaller then, so the dollar loss now is much higher. This coupled with the continued spike in cases, and deaths shows quite dramatically that a new stimulus bill is needed to prevent the country from slipping into economic anarchy.


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A further note the Harvard Medical School has just advised that 13 states need to lock down, like right now. Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arizona, Tennessee, Georgia, Nevada, South Carolina, Texas, Idaho, Arkansas, and Oklahoma. So I guess if you don't get it right the first time, try, try, try again?

I saw that article about it. Not only those states but even Bob's beloved Maryland is getting close to being a state that should be looking at locking down. Saw another article where CDC is saying that if every single state would go to wearing masks for 4 to 8 weeks, we could have beaten Covid long ago.

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Saw another article where CDC is saying that if every single state would go to wearing masks for 4 to 8 weeks, we could have beaten Covid long ago.

That would be the smart thing to do but since human beings are very stupid people, that's never going to happen.

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Saw another article where CDC is saying that if every single state would go to wearing masks for 4 to 8 weeks, we could have beaten Covid long ago.

That would be the smart thing to do but since human beings are very stupid people, that's never going to happen.

of course, because as everyone who has not allowed the leftist scientific and medical community to brainwash them knows, wearing a mask is much more hazardous to your health than the virus.

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With Fall and Winter now fast approaching, and Summer fading, we are now in for a bumpy ride between now and election day. Anyone that can vote and doesn't this time around is doing themselves and the country a disservice. We have to vote out the science deniers and vote in people who at least have some respect for facts, even though they don't like them.


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For those looking for signs of recovery, I can say I did finally see some. The country club rally at Trumps resort in New Jersey, where he unveiled his executive orders, which really mean little, and his promise to give his rich club members even more money back, at the cost of funding the government. It was a let them eat cake moment on steroids, these club members pay 350,000.00 a year just to be part of this golf establishment. They were having their drinks, not wearing masks, not social distancing, until of course Trump aides passed out masks. I was surprised there wasn't a band, or maybe a KJ somewhere around. These are the very people who could care less if average people are suffering. They are not faced with eviction, foreclosure, hunger, or losing their family business's. They are the one's who will be the first to line up for government money like Kodak did, if it becomes available. Billions and Trillions for them from the FED with no waiting. The rest of us have to wait in line hope Congress can work, and provide us with the bare essentials. Is there little doubt now that the people need basic economic rights, as well as basic human rights? The right to food security, income security, public health care option aka health security, free public education, and jobs for all that need them. Most of us wouldn't want to belong to Trump's club, the people there seem rather shallow, and selfish. We do want to be able to live with some dignity, and not die on the street, where many of our fellow citizens will end up in the next few months, if we don't do anything.


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Remember when I said we didn't know everything about Covid-19? Well now it seems that is is not only a respiratory illness, but also it is a vascular one as well. It attacks the blood vessels that carry blood to the various parts of the body including vital organs like the heart and brain. Deaths are not caused by just the failure to breath, but also increased risk of heart attack and stroke, also simply getting over the virus does not mean it is all over. Now you have a preexisting condition for the rest of your life. You are maybe going to suffer from a whole list of aliments for as long as you live. For those of you that think this is only the flu, you had better get serious about social distancing, wearing masks, and staying home if possible.

P.S. This disease causes blood clots to form which is why it is dangerous to heart, brain and kidneys and can cause problems in the legs with blood circulation being cut off.


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If we are truly looking for signs of recovery, we really have to question these attacks on one of our oldest institutions the U.S.Postal Service. Established at the founding of this country, and included in the Constitution itself, a strong vibrant Post Office is essential during this time of national pandemic emergency. Any attempts to try and undermine it, with the goal of trying to steal the next election, should be fought on every level. As usual those most hurt by the attempts to slow the mail down are in the Red states. Those rural communities that rely on a universal postal service to keep them connected, at a reasonable rate. For years private interests have been trying to privatize the Postal Service. If this were to happen it would be like when AT&T was broken up. It was said the competition would bring the price of telephone service down, did it? Some things need to be quasi government, run for the benefit to the citizens of this country. The Post Office is a service and is not designed to make a profit.

We should all resist any further dismantling of our Democratic institutions, since this would pave the way to one party, one man dictatorship in this country. We do not want to go the way of Poland, Hungary, Turkey and other countries, who have traded their democratic republics, for despots who enslave their citizens.

P.S. It has just come to light the new Post Master General is invested in competitors to the Post Office. It would seem that would be a conflict of interest, and cause to either have him divested of such investments, or even better have him resign.


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No signs of recovery yet! In fact if something isn't done soon to provide a second round of stimulus, we will be heading into the Fall elections and beyond without any sign of recovery. Michael Osterholm who is in charge of "The Center For Infectious Disease Research and Policy", thinks the worst is yet to come. That we will not see the end of this current pandemic for another 14 to 16 months, or more. Already we are over 195,000 deaths and more than 6.5 million infections that we know of. According to a fairly reliable model we will by the end of the year have over 415,000 total deaths. That is why this election is more important than ever, if we stay the course next year it will be more of the same, with no let up in sight. We may have to have another round of shutdowns, which would provide a double whammy for the economy, which is already weak,despite the president's rosy scenario's. If any host's are still doing shows how is it going?


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Some light in the stimulus portal. Democrats are breaking with Pelosi on getting a new bill through the House. This new bill has bipartisan support that is supposed to come in at an acceptable 1.5 trillion dollars based on what the President is willing to sign. After learning about how some of the states have dealt with what they got from the last package, I can understand the reluctance of giving the state governments more money to shore up their coffers. Come on the money wasn't meant to pay for tourism ads like one Governor used it for.

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Some light in the stimulus portal. Democrats are breaking with Pelosi on getting a new bill through the House. This new bill has bipartisan support that is supposed to come in at an acceptable 1.5 trillion dollars based on what the President is willing to sign. After learning about how some of the states have dealt with what they got from the last package, I can understand the reluctance of giving the state governments more money to shore up their coffers. Come on the money wasn't meant to pay for tourism ads like one Governor used it for.


You must be seeing numbers I'm not Danny. The latest Republican counter offer is 500 billion, that is down from the first Senate proposal of one trillion. So it would seem that both sides are even farther apart than before. If something isn't done soon many small business's will be closing especially restaurants never to reopen. Even now it may be too late, and nothing will be done before the election, when that happens you can bet nothing will be done till the new administration takes over. No matter which side wins.


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Some light in the stimulus portal. Democrats are breaking with Pelosi on getting a new bill through the House. This new bill has bipartisan support that is supposed to come in at an acceptable 1.5 trillion dollars based on what the President is willing to sign. After learning about how some of the states have dealt with what they got from the last package, I can understand the reluctance of giving the state governments more money to shore up their coffers. Come on the money wasn't meant to pay for tourism ads like one Governor used it for.


You must be seeing numbers I'm not Danny. The latest Republican counter offer is 500 billion, that is down from the first Senate proposal of one trillion. So it would seem that both sides are even farther apart than before. If something isn't done soon many small business's will be closing especially restaurants never to reopen. Even now it may be too late, and nothing will be done before the election, when that happens you can bet nothing will be done till the new administration takes over. No matter which side wins.

2 different sources gave me this information today.

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The proof is in the pudding, there is no deal, and both sides aren't meeting, so I guess it is a stalemate, time is running out for a deal before the elections.


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The proof is in the pudding, there is no deal, and both sides aren't meeting, so I guess it is a stalemate, time is running out for a deal before the elections.

A report from 3 hours ago, 9/15/2020

A bipartisan group in the House unveils a new proposal – again, to bring together both parties and break the stalemate in negotiations.

https://money.yahoo.com/coronavirus-sti ... SFhTOfZ3Mb

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The proof is in the pudding, there is no deal, and both sides aren't meeting, so I guess it is a stalemate, time is running out for a deal before the elections.

A report from 3 hours ago, 9/15/2020

A bipartisan group in the House unveils a new proposal – again, to bring together both parties and break the stalemate in negotiations.

https://money.yahoo.com/coronavirus-sti ... SFhTOfZ3Mb

unfortunately the Republicans gave a $300 billion proposal. every time the dems step up to negotiate and bring the cost down,. the reps move the goal post and stop dealing.

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That is because the Republicans don't really want a deal that helps the average citizen. If it were tax cuts for the wealthy, protection from lawsuits concerning Covid-19, or anything to help big business, they would be all over it in a heart beat. They want to reign in government spending, to prevent families from obtaining basic things like food, shelter, and medical coverage. They feel it will encourage Socialism in this country. On the other hand they feel it is alright for the FED to print up 4 trillion dollars to prop up the markets, which continue to do well despite the terrible economic conditions for the rest of us. Socialism for people is bad, it is counter to Capitalism. Corporate Socialism is good and doesn't hurt Capitalism one bit? If it is good for one it should be good for all.


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The untimely death of The Notorious RBG will halt I believe any new stimulus package, since the vacant Supreme Court seat will be the new bright shinny political object, that will consume all of the political energy, of both parties before the election, which is only 45 days away. With so many citizens suffering, facing eviction, or foreclosure. So many business's failing and not able to reopen, along with the possibility of having to once more have lock downs this Fall and Winter, there are just too many distractions in this divided country of ours. There is no consensus on simple things like wearing a mask to stop the spread of Covid-19. Rather wearing a mask is more of a political statement than a health common sense. Today we are over 200,000 deaths and counting, soon we will have lost more people than was lost in WWII. A conservative model which has always under counted the real number of pandemic deaths, has forecast that the number will be over 415,000 by the end of the year. We never got out of the first wave totally, the projection is we will have infection rates continue to climb, at most we are in a holding pattern right now. The calm before the storm, until we get a handle on the pandemic we can't solve any of the problems associated with this life changing event, that is effecting us all.


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