KARAOKE SCENE MAGAZINE ONLINE! - Karaoke Channel / Stingray on custom CDG Public Forums Karaoke Discussions Karaoke Scene's Karaoke Forums Home | Contact Us | Site Map  

Karaoke Forums

Karaoke Scene Karaoke Forums

Karaoke Scene

   
  * Login
  * Register

  * FAQ
  * Search

Custom Search

Social Networks


wordpress-hosting

Offsite Links


It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:06 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 70 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:09 pm 
Offline
Advanced Poster
Advanced Poster
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 03, 2011 2:17 pm
Posts: 413
Location: United Kingdom
Been Liked: 38 times
Anyone know where, if anywhere, you can get Stingray, Karaoke channel (or even Sound Choice) tracks on a custom DISC format? They've been pulled from Customburn.com.


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:27 pm 
Offline
Extreme Plus Poster
Extreme Plus Poster
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:24 pm
Posts: 5105
Location: Phoenix Az
Been Liked: 1279 times
Stingray tracks can not put out discs because of their licensing. SC sold the tracks to Stingray so no SC custom discs either since they don't even own them anymore.

your best bet if nobody else makes the songs is to make the suggestion for those songs from karaoke.net. there is a thread here under new music requests. they do a great job putting out requested music when licensing is available.

_________________
Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:38 pm 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster

Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:59 am
Posts: 3011
Been Liked: 1003 times
Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
Stingray tracks can not put out discs because of their licensing. SC sold the tracks to Stingray so no SC custom discs either since they don't even own them anymore.


If the use will be personal rather than commercial, an alternative would be to buy the tracks from thekaraokechannel.com. The trick would be to figure out how to convert them to ISO to burn a CD+G from the tracks, but if you were really desperate, it could be done.


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:51 pm 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 20, 2001 6:55 pm
Posts: 4433
Location: New York City
Been Liked: 757 times
Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
your best bet if nobody else makes the songs is to make the suggestion for those songs from karaoke.net. there is a thread here under new music requests. they do a great job putting out requested music when licensing is available.

Or request the song at karaokeversion.com


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 2:44 pm 
Offline
Advanced Poster
Advanced Poster
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 03, 2011 2:17 pm
Posts: 413
Location: United Kingdom
Been Liked: 38 times
Thank you for your suggestions folks.

To clarify, the song I was searching for in question was released by both Sound Choice and Chartbuster originally, but the CB/digitrax version does not even come close to the SC one.

My normal port of call would be CustomBurn.com, which had pretty much the entire catalogue on there, under the Karaoke Channel livery (available in both download and disc as with all of their tracks). However, the site was down for "maintenance" for ages and when it resurfaced only Zoom and Sunfly tracks were on offer.

As a result there appears to be nowhere you can get Stingray/Karaoke Channel OR Sound Choice tracks in custom disc form. What I have done for the time being is downloaded the track at the Karaoke Channel site in ZIP format (.mp3 + .CDG files in one) so I at least have the track. This will have to do until disc becomes available again. Annoyingly SR have rebranded their KC tracks and removed the silence at the beginning, but this is a minor inconvenience.


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 1:13 am 
Offline
Super Plus Poster
Super Plus Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:39 am
Posts: 1735
Images: 12
Location: Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada
Been Liked: 190 times
I personally gave up on Stingray.
They do offer a nice player app though but as mention, good for "Personal use"


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:35 am 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:55 am
Posts: 3885
Images: 0
Been Liked: 397 times
Lord Burnstrum wrote:
Annoyingly SR have rebranded their KC tracks and removed the silence at the beginning, but this is a minor inconvenience.


If Harrington gets wind of you using a SR song in your shows, he will sue you!!! That is a big no no!!

_________________
I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 8:33 am 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster

Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:59 am
Posts: 3011
Been Liked: 1003 times
Smoothedge69 wrote:
If Harrington gets wind of you using a SR song in your shows, he will sue you!!! That is a big no no!!


I'll note for the record that the poster appears to be in the UK. I don't know whether or not Stingray has different terms of use for UK users or whether or not UK law provides for a public performance license for such products. I'm not especially motivated to find out, as I have enough to do on this side of the Atlantic.

My comments about Stingray products in commercial use are limited to the US and Canada.


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 4:52 am 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:55 am
Posts: 3885
Images: 0
Been Liked: 397 times
JimHarrington wrote:
Smoothedge69 wrote:
If Harrington gets wind of you using a SR song in your shows, he will sue you!!! That is a big no no!!


I'll note for the record that the poster appears to be in the UK. I don't know whether or not Stingray has different terms of use for UK users or whether or not UK law provides for a public performance license for such products. I'm not especially motivated to find out, as I have enough to do on this side of the Atlantic.

My comments about Stingray products in commercial use are limited to the US and Canada.

I STILL find it ridiculous that a perfectly good product can't be used in public, ESPECIALLY when the venues pay their PRO fees. The royalties would still be getting paid.

_________________
I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 5:14 am 
Offline
Super Poster
Super Poster

Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:11 am
Posts: 846
Location: Ocean County, Jersey Shore
Been Liked: 197 times
Smoothedge69 wrote:
JimHarrington wrote:
Smoothedge69 wrote:
If Harrington gets wind of you using a SR song in your shows, he will sue you!!! That is a big no no!!


I'll note for the record that the poster appears to be in the UK. I don't know whether or not Stingray has different terms of use for UK users or whether or not UK law provides for a public performance license for such products. I'm not especially motivated to find out, as I have enough to do on this side of the Atlantic.

My comments about Stingray products in commercial use are limited to the US and Canada.

I STILL find it ridiculous that a perfectly good product can't be used in public, ESPECIALLY when the venues pay their PRO fees. The royalties would still be getting paid.

Especially when it would be paid for, through download, for example.

_________________
DJ Don


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 6:32 am 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster

Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:59 am
Posts: 3011
Been Liked: 1003 times
Smoothedge69 wrote:
I STILL find it ridiculous that a perfectly good product can't be used in public, ESPECIALLY when the venues pay their PRO fees. The royalties would still be getting paid.


Except that the entity that controls this (Stingray) isn't being paid a royalty. The PRO fees don't compensate the owner of the audiovisual work.


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:09 am 
Offline
Super Duper Poster
Super Duper Poster

Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:16 pm
Posts: 2027
Location: HIgh River, AB
Been Liked: 268 times
JimHarrington wrote:
Smoothedge69 wrote:
I STILL find it ridiculous that a perfectly good product can't be used in public, ESPECIALLY when the venues pay their PRO fees. The royalties would still be getting paid.


Except that the entity that controls this (Stingray) isn't being paid a royalty. The PRO fees don't compensate the owner of the audiovisual work.



But as you have stated yourself Jim, Karaoke has no performace right AND they have been compensated if the person bought the track in the first place.

Or maybe you are refering to the fact that the copyright to the music track belongs to Stingray and not the publishers like Sony etc?


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 4:41 pm 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster

Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:59 am
Posts: 3011
Been Liked: 1003 times
jclaydon wrote:
But as you have stated yourself Jim, Karaoke has no performace right AND they have been compensated if the person bought the track in the first place.


Actually, I've said the exact opposite of that.

Sound recordings by themselves do not have a public performance right, so you can publicly play any sound recording you like, all day long, as long as (a) you didn't steal it and (b) the owner of any composition rights is compensated (usually through PROs).

But karaoke works are not just sound recordings. They have a visual component, which makes them audiovisual works. Audiovisual works DO have a public performance right. That's why you can't rent or buy a DVD movie and have a public screening. (You need a specific license for that from the owner of the rights.) It's the same with karaoke.

The PROs only represent the owner of the composition copyright. They don't represent the karaoke producer.


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:36 am 
Offline
Extreme Plus Poster
Extreme Plus Poster
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:24 pm
Posts: 5105
Location: Phoenix Az
Been Liked: 1279 times
JimHarrington wrote:
jclaydon wrote:
But as you have stated yourself Jim, Karaoke has no performace right AND they have been compensated if the person bought the track in the first place.


Actually, I've said the exact opposite of that.

Sound recordings by themselves do not have a public performance right, so you can publicly play any sound recording you like, all day long, as long as (a) you didn't steal it and (b) the owner of any composition rights is compensated (usually through PROs).

But karaoke works are not just sound recordings. They have a visual component, which makes them audiovisual works. Audiovisual works DO have a public performance right. That's why you can't rent or buy a DVD movie and have a public screening. (You need a specific license for that from the owner of the rights.) It's the same with karaoke.

The PROs only represent the owner of the composition copyright. They don't represent the karaoke producer.


but, Stingray paid the royalties for the rights to make that audiovisual work. they ask $2.00 for it and that covers their cost and a small profit. the difference between personal use and public use rights is with the PRO's, so what exactly is the problem?

_________________
Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 4:39 am 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster

Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:59 am
Posts: 3011
Been Liked: 1003 times
That's just it: When you're taking about audiovisual works, the difference is more than just what the PROs provide.

Stingray gets $2 for a private-use copy. If you want a public-use copy, that costs more (thousands of dollars, in fact, and that's Stingray's main business). If you could buy public-use copies for $2, Stingray would be out of business in a hurry.


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 5:28 am 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:55 am
Posts: 3885
Images: 0
Been Liked: 397 times
JimHarrington wrote:
That's just it: When you're taking about audiovisual works, the difference is more than just what the PROs provide.

Stingray gets $2 for a private-use copy. If you want a public-use copy, that costs more (thousands of dollars, in fact, and that's Stingray's main business). If you could buy public-use copies for $2, Stingray would be out of business in a hurry.

Karaoke.net sells their songs for $1.99 per track. How are THEY getting away with it, yet Stingray can't?? You are talking out your rear, if I may be so bold. Karaoke.net's songs are for use in public. So if they can get away with it, why can't Stingray. Who else smells rotten fish, here??

_________________
I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 12:33 pm 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster

Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:59 am
Posts: 3011
Been Liked: 1003 times
Smoothedge69 wrote:
JimHarrington wrote:
That's just it: When you're taking about audiovisual works, the difference is more than just what the PROs provide.

Stingray gets $2 for a private-use copy. If you want a public-use copy, that costs more (thousands of dollars, in fact, and that's Stingray's main business). If you could buy public-use copies for $2, Stingray would be out of business in a hurry.

Karaoke.net sells their songs for $1.99 per track. How are THEY getting away with it, yet Stingray can't?? You are talking out your rear, if I may be so bold. Karaoke.net's songs are for use in public. So if they can get away with it, why can't Stingray. Who else smells rotten fish, here??


Stingray could if they wanted to. They don't want to.


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:11 pm 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:13 pm
Posts: 3801
Images: 1
Location: Florida
Been Liked: 1612 times
JimHarrington wrote:
Smoothedge69 wrote:
JimHarrington wrote:
That's just it: When you're taking about audiovisual works, the difference is more than just what the PROs provide.

Stingray gets $2 for a private-use copy. If you want a public-use copy, that costs more (thousands of dollars, in fact, and that's Stingray's main business). If you could buy public-use copies for $2, Stingray would be out of business in a hurry.

Karaoke.net sells their songs for $1.99 per track. How are THEY getting away with it, yet Stingray can't?? You are talking out your rear, if I may be so bold. Karaoke.net's songs are for use in public. So if they can get away with it, why can't Stingray. Who else smells rotten fish, here??


Stingray could if they wanted to. They don't want to.

If they sold downloads, the SC argument of 1) Play from original disc 2) Get permission 3) Own a GEM or 4) Have a Help licence, becomes less clear when observed playing from a computer and you could be sued. You could then play SC (rebranded KC) from a computer and not be required to meet criteria 1,2,3 or 4. The burden of proof would be more difficult.

CB sold files that were intended to be played on a computer and that is why CB has different rules for playing in public with less fear of legal entanglements. This just my 2 cents worth.


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 8:02 pm 
Offline
Extreme Plus Poster
Extreme Plus Poster
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:24 pm
Posts: 5105
Location: Phoenix Az
Been Liked: 1279 times
JimHarrington wrote:
Smoothedge69 wrote:
JimHarrington wrote:
That's just it: When you're taking about audiovisual works, the difference is more than just what the PROs provide.

Stingray gets $2 for a private-use copy. If you want a public-use copy, that costs more (thousands of dollars, in fact, and that's Stingray's main business). If you could buy public-use copies for $2, Stingray would be out of business in a hurry.

Karaoke.net sells their songs for $1.99 per track. How are THEY getting away with it, yet Stingray can't?? You are talking out your rear, if I may be so bold. Karaoke.net's songs are for use in public. So if they can get away with it, why can't Stingray. Who else smells rotten fish, here??


Stingray could if they wanted to. They don't want to.

"If you could buy public-use copies for $2, Stingray would be out of business in a hurry."
this is what you said, and it's not true.

_________________
Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 11:21 pm 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster

Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:59 am
Posts: 3011
Been Liked: 1003 times
Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
JimHarrington wrote:
Smoothedge69 wrote:
JimHarrington wrote:
That's just it: When you're taking about audiovisual works, the difference is more than just what the PROs provide.

Stingray gets $2 for a private-use copy. If you want a public-use copy, that costs more (thousands of dollars, in fact, and that's Stingray's main business). If you could buy public-use copies for $2, Stingray would be out of business in a hurry.

Karaoke.net sells their songs for $1.99 per track. How are THEY getting away with it, yet Stingray can't?? You are talking out your rear, if I may be so bold. Karaoke.net's songs are for use in public. So if they can get away with it, why can't Stingray. Who else smells rotten fish, here??


Stingray could if they wanted to. They don't want to.

"If you could buy public-use copies for $2, Stingray would be out of business in a hurry."
this is what you said, and it's not true.


Stingray does about $100 million a year on their commercial use business. They just recently did their millionth download after nearly 10 years.

If they allowed public use of their tracks without special licensing, they would be giving away their main source of revenue in exchange for an extremely limited market of professional KJs who pay for music.

And yes, that would put them out of business quickly.


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 70 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 621 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

Privacy Policy | Anti-Spam Policy | Acceptable Use Policy Copyright © Karaoke Scene Magazine
design & hosting by Cross Web Tech