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Does anyone have experience with the pioneer dual tray cdg player? Are there separate outputs for each tray on either the JVC or the Pioneer? In other words, I know you can load the discs while another is playing, but can you actually cue them up?

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The JVC Triple tray can be loaded w/3 discs but only one can be cued.
So there will be a few seconds delay when finishing one song until cuing the next.....


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Neither the Pioneer or the JVC have separate outputs. These don't allow you to play a song into another like a dj player.
For karaoke, the Pioneer player is a nicer player (IMO), but is also more expensive. It allows you to cue up your next song, automatically pauses if your singer isn't ready, program & cue the next song (JVC can cue the next 2), ejects the tray that is finished, the key changer automatically resets after a song is done.
The JVC is a little quicker loading & cueing (don't know the triple tray features off hand, I prefer 2 single trays - less mechanical parts to break down). Only complaint I have on it is the key changer doesn't reset automatically when the tray is opened or when a song is done.

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Plus Pioneer has a countdown timer, great for bathroom breaks. Lets you know how much time is left on the song. Pioneer v JVC, Pioneer hands down.


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Pioneer also has the ability to remember an image. Although it's not really made for it, I play the custom screen to what I want to freeze the image at, press stop, and then eject the cdg. Then I can use that player to play music cds all night long, and the video image never goes away!!

I make custom screens on karaokebuilder... and it's kewl to switch the video image back to the ad I make for the venue, or my own stuff... after the singer is done doing their thing!

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Fyi..I don't think the Pioneer can handles VCD's ..Can it?


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How many KJ's use VCD's - I know I never have, never had anyone bring one to me? They could be more popular elsewhere, I don't know. If you need VCD capability, then the Pioneer won't fit your need.

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I use cdg's. Never have used the dvd's. Some of my folks bring in their own vcd's, but that's not a problem.


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I make some of my own, but even with those, I tend to use the RSQ505...


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I have the triple tray, but also use a house twin tray at one venue. I'd take the Pioneer. Quick load/read time, time remaining, one-touch vocal reduction (no remote needed) are nice features. Also like that you can put it in pause mode before it even reads the cdg. A bit pricier and not bundled with disc packs like the the triple trays though. Also need to be gentle with the trays as they can get out of alignment.

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Yeah, the JVC is hard to pass up when you can get a bundle of discs with the purchase. Especially when you are starting out like I am.

I saw a package that included the JVC, four of the Chartbusters Essential 450 sets (1800 songs total!!), and 2 cheap mics for $738.00.

I hear mixed reviews on the quality of the Chartbuster CDG's, but WOW that's a good value!

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The Chartbuster country songs are great, their pop stuff leaves something to be desired.

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Yeah Lon,

that's what Knightshow told me. At the price, though, don't you think it would be good filler?

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Hey Ice, if I were in your position, I would snatch up that $738.00 for the JVC triple player + all those CB Essentials and run before the sale ends this month. I'm half tempted to do that myself and toss toss out a lot of my cheaper CDG's for the CB's and just have another backup player. Or maybe give the player as a Christmas gift for someone next year. Good luck to you.


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Personally, I wouldn't use the Pop side of them. They may get you by, but you'll probably end up replacing 70-80% of them (the pop/rock) down the road. The price is great & yes some of the versions are fine (like any manufacturer), but you're more than likely going to be replacing the majority of the versions (pop/rock).

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Wow! That crappy, huh? Well, could you give a guess at the percentage of country songs (which are pretty good by all accounts) in the collection? What I'm getting at is maybe even if the pop/rock stinks, the large number of country songs might make it worth it just the same.

Whaddaya think of that, Lon? :)

Believe me Marty, I am trying my best to convince these guys that I should take this deal!! :lol:

BUT, I trust their judgment and respect their experience. :)

I have gotten a lot of good advice since I started participating in this forum...it has been an invaluable experience! (Have I kissed enough butt, yet!!) :wink:

No seriously...thanks to everyone!

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The country will be 98% useable - that's their forte'. I wouldn't say that the Pop/Rock is 'that" bad but probably 30-40% are useable (IMO). You'll probably have somewhere around a half & half mix of country & rock with some standards thrown in. I'd guess 60% of the set will be decent enough to use which would make the buy ok, just may want to replace the crappy versions as you can.

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That's good enough for me, Lon. I'm buying!! I do realize that I have to replace a lot of the crappy songs, though.

I have just been stuck in 'analysis paralysis' for the past 2 weeks and I want to pull the trigger on something!!

I think if 60% of the songs are usable -- that is still a deal. That would be about 1080 songs for under $500...I'll take it.

Actually, I went to a karaoke tonight and sang 'Purple Rain' by Prince and the version was a Chartbuster and I thought it was pretty good.

Anyway, I am going out tomorrow and getting the JBL Eon15 G2's and the Mackie CFX 12 (per Lonman's recommendation) and I couldn't be more PSYCHED!!

Thanks everyone -- for all the help!! :D

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Good on ya - Patrick. And Good Luck to ya in gettin' 'er up and runnin'


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