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Let's not start a lesser of two evils discussion

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-Chris

I my experience, you miss most of my points. Period.

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-Chris

Are you representing, KJ's now?

btw......slander is spoken. Libel is written.

See what I mean about psedo-legal bullshit?

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Well, there is this. But like you, I know what I know about how I operate and don't HAVE to prove anything. I simply choose to be transparent to eliminate all doubt.

I even have the receipts from the Red Peters tracks that were used to prove false your watermarking claim.

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What makes you think I don't "publicize" my shows? That's pretty stupid blanket assumption.

If you want to talk about "transparency" then I'm wondering why I can't seem to find very much publicity on your SCE shows? There isn't squat on your website other than "coming soon"...

Yes. I do that. It's called marketing, promoting and advertising.



Correction - "Helped" - and for context -

4 hosts that contacted me (not vice versa)
All within a short window 3-4 years ago
I don't believe I ever stated that none of them were pirates
I posted a couple of "where are they now" summaries in response to Chip's word vomit on this topic. They can be searched for.




Funny you say this because I just posted a query about this topic on FB. Public promotion isn't explicitly necessary, but you are also a very strong proponent, as I am, that our real job is to make money for the bar.

I simply can't reconcile NOT spending a few minutes adding shows to karaoke search engines. That's a one time and done deal. I spend about an hour a week (maybe 2-3 around special holidays) to work social media and check up on my hosts ads. I have done my due diligence to get MORE than just the local regulars in the door which has other long term lasting impact.

But let's forget the cost, time, effort and necessity. There isn't a single business book written that will suggest one NOT promote their business in some fashion EVEN if they are "plenty active". It's just good business. It's SMART business.



Who have you sent money to? Do you still possess what you say you paid for and use? That 's the transparency I offer that you won't.



Oh come on now. You have taken a couple jabs at me about how much I charge vs what you charge. You are right, it's none of your business, but you pay attention.



The posters are a nice good will gesture that literally thousands of other KJ's, bars, singers, artists, etc have done. I do them to.

Some of the best software is written by pirates and hackers.

Lots of pirates make karaoke tracks.

You just like to argue and can't stand being wrong. I get it. I am the same way and so are a few others here. Just own it for what it is.

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YOU said "giant truck". Harrington said "panel truck". YOU inflated it, not him.

How many other KJ's here have panel trucks? I have more systems that you and my largest vehicle will hold one system. Maybe 2 of my smallest systems.

You have to admit that having or even requiring any vehicle that will carry 7 karaoke systems puts you in small percentage of karaoke hosts overall.

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Oh... were you making a point??????????? Keep in mind, you have also contributed to what you have just referred to as the "SC BS" (in your little "War of the Worlds" between you and Chip).

His response to me is proof of his seething hatred for me.

I didn't criticize his truck.

I didn't say he might not be a host.

I even said I thought he got jobbed by the city on that deal with the truck.

I took his side and he still took the opportunity to go negative against me.

I call them like I see them. If he's right about something, I say so. If he's wrong, I say so. I don't have any personal opinions about him. I've never met the guy, so how could I? But this is what I get from him.

Regarding the word Slander, I stand corrected. As for who I am representing, who said I was representing anyone. I made a statement, nothing more. You can take that statement and do with it whatever your heart desires.

To be fair, Chip spouts SC BS. I simply counter it on occasion and a lot less frequently these days.

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Your statement could be interpreted as a threat by some. I don't because I know where stand on this.......and......

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Uh, you didn't seem to have a problem insinuating all these years that I had the truck for some neferious reason and here are a few examples YOU posted, with YOUR words:
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A "large" truck?You might as well claimed it was a tractor-trailer. So you don't have a problem insinuating facts for which you don't have, or even have a clue what the truth is.
Are you going to be able to move 7 systems around in a minivan?, a PT-Cruiser?.... I don't think so... That I ran several systems has never been a secret, but you want to keep making it sound like it has been..... because if you can't find real facts, you'll just make them up and hope that there will be someone that will believe you. In the meantime, you whine like you're the victim of some "seething hatred?" Really?

And I'm sure you carefully read the all minutes of both of the zoning hearings hoping to glean some kind of foothold to file a suit - or you wouldn't have bothered to read them in the first place.
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Crocodile tears coming from the same attorney that claimed he'd sue me "on general principle." Still playing the victim?

More crocodile tears... You want some cheese with that whine?

I don't think you had the truck for a nefarious reason. I think you had the truck so you could deliver a bunch of karaoke systems to various locations more conveniently.

The only thing that would make that nefarious is if you were multi-rigging without being 1:1. I have no idea whether you were or not.



I still haven't seen what facts I've insinuated. You had a truck that could, under the circumstances, be described as "large." It's certainly larger than a pickup truck, a large SUV, or a panel van.



I've done nothing of the sort. But you are very guarded when talking about your operations. For example, you asked "Are you going to be able to move 7 systems around in a minivan?" but when you described your actual operations, you modified that to the indefinite "several." You've very carefully refused to admit that you did, indeed, have 7 systems at that time. And that's fine, because, as you pointed out, you are under no obligation to talk about your operations at all.



This is exactly what you do. I don't make up facts.



You seem to be confused. The victim of your seething hatred is you, not me. I welcome your hatred.



I carefully read the minutes because I wanted to understand more about you, to understand why you would hate us so much. That particular fact about 7 systems, given in an unguarded moment, made things very clear to me.



I'm not in any way your victim, nor am I crying about it.

On the other hand, I do want people to understand and judge your credibility when you launch attacks on me and on Phoenix. The problem isn't that your attacks have any merit, because they don't. It's that people might read them and believe them, not knowing what you and I know about why you attack us. What I say here is not for your benefit, nor for the sake of argument, nor for "winning," but for people who don't have enough background information to understand that the things you say about us are colored by--yes--a seething hatred for us.

Tip: you're not "marketing" anything to KJ's in this forum, you simply like to talk... about you.

Exactly. Nice of you to finally stop denying and start admitting that you "helped pirates" that contacted you.... So, you support PEP -- who has been sued for piracy -- and you helped pirates.... and let's recap: which one of us is a "pirate supporter?"....

And you are saying this because??? There has never been a doubt that the "real job" is to make money for the bar... And that doesn't matter whether or not I advertise on the net or not AS LONG AS I make money for the bar.

So? Your failure to "reconcile" is your problem and not a problem for others.

If I'm already as busy as I care to be, why would I do this? Why would any business actively market for more business than they can handle? That would have a negative effect of turning down business you don't want anyway. I'm satisfied that I have as much business as I want, period.

I don't give a sh** what you "offer" and if you want "transparency" then send me money and we'll talk about it. I don't have to prove squat to you, no matter how much you whine about it, especially free.

I don't believe the above comment was even in response to you, it was to Paradigm Karaoke. Paradigm doesn't spout what he makes or doesn't make and it's still none of my business. What you get and pay your hosts is your business - you shared that and no one else. If you hang your a$$ on the fence, expect it to get slapped.

And that's another insinuation... I have to give you credit for being consistent. Incorrect and uninformed, but consistent.
Backpaddle, backpaddle, backpaddle. With a 6-cylinder motor, it's hardly larger than a typical service van. As a matter of fact, it is the EXACT same length and width as an Econoline van. It's just slightly taller, but not as tall as a typical "Sprinter" van from GM. Nice try though.
Nice try counsel. You are fully aware that it is posted on these very forums that I had 7 systems in service. It's not a secret, it never has been a secret, nor has it ever been "indefinite." So your statement that I've "very carefully refused to admit that you did, indeed, have 7 systems at that time" is nothing more than another underhanded mischaracterization on your part.

It's quite interesting that you are desperately curious to know more about my "operations" but also admit that I'm under no obligation to tell you anything about my private business.
Sure you do. You've accused me of instigating the EMI lawsuit against you, you've accused me of "helping defendants" to the point of asking if I was paid by them...

Yeah, you make up facts alright.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not confused at all. And you are the one confusing "hatred" for calling you out on your actions. And I'm sure you really hate that.
"...given in an unguarded moment?" What a crock! Let me get my waders....


Sure you are. You whine constantly that "he hates us"... whine, whine, whine... And that usually shows up when I call you out on your own words.
Another whining "he hates us" along with an insinuation? Care to explain fully to all the readers here exactly what " knowing what you and I know about why you attack us" really means? Tell us what facts you know.... or better yet, what you like others to believe.

I find it laughable that you keep trying to point some kind of mysterious accusing finger at me -- and you've done it for years and you're still doing it -- but when it comes to the difference between your "operations" and mine, your company is the one has been sued for piracy (infringement) repeatedly over the years and settled right? You buy trademarks for the sole purpose of suing KJ's and venues?

And I'm the bad guy here? Really?

I don't believe it's a mischaracterization, because you just did it again. It's a very weird way of putting it.

"You are fully aware that it is posted on these very forums that I had 7 systems in service."

This appears to be a very carefully worded statement.

You could have said:

"You are fully aware that I posted on these very forums that I had 7 systems in service."

Or you could have said:

"You are fully aware that [someone else] posted on these very forum that I had 7 systems in service, and that was true."

But you chose, instead, a very awkward wording that leaves it ambiguous as to who said it. It's entirely possible that it was inadvertent, and you can easily clear that up by making an unequivocal declaration that you had 7 systems in service. But it looks for all the world like you are trying to give the impression that you had 7 systems without actually admitting to it.



It's true--I do think you made an effort to encourage EMI's outside counsel to initiate a lawsuit against us, based on two facts. The first one is that you made a public statement that you were contacting publishers about our licensing, several months before the lawsuit was filed. The second one is that EMI's outside counsel said as much to me in a phone call shortly after the lawsuit was filed.



I have accused you of helping defendants, which is objectively true.

I don't recall having asked you if you were being paid by defendants, but it's possible. Even if I did ask you that, I fail to see how asking a direct question amounts to "making up facts."

I did recently ask you if you gave money to Kevin Cable, so maybe you misunderstood me.



Sure, let's lay out the facts.

(1) You had 7 systems in operation, necessitating the use of a commercial truck to haul the equipment to various shows.
(2) You became aware that we were suing operators for multi-rigging with an inadequate supply of SC discs to back up their operations.
(3) Your operation became substantially smaller.
(4) You began a vocal campaign against our litigation program, which included the removal of all SC from your karaoke systems as well as the placement of a sign announcing a policy that you would not play our tracks, and you began encouraging other operators to remove SC from their systems.

It seems to me that these four facts could be causally related. If I were running multiple systems from a single set of discs, and I learned that somebody was suing over that activity, I would probably cut my operations back to the level I could justify with my existing holdings.

Of course, you live in an area that has seen its share of economic problems, so it's entirely possible that you cut back on your systems because there just wasn't enough demand for your services at a profitable price.

Or maybe you weren't making enough money to justify the work you were having to put into the business, so you cut back to be able to do something else that was more profitable.

But neither of those two options would explain why you are so angry with us, why you resent our litigation program with such fury, or why you cheer when negative things happen to us.

If I've got something wrong, point it out. Give us your perspective.

Anyone allowed on these forums (over the age of 13) can use the search function to find out who posted what -- apparently you cannot.
Actually, I think you're having a comprehension/memory problem and I don't know how that can happen since you seem to be able to recall the details of the city ordinance hearing.. But now you're somewhat confused and believe I've used "awkward wording?" Really? How convenient of you. I would think if there was a poll over whether the wording was ambiguous or not, other than your controlled licensee Avis and yourself, I'd bet that everyone else here knew exactly what I meant.
Make up your mind. Either "it's true" as you state above, OR you only "think you made an effort." But just because you thought of something won't make it true.. not even now. But if it is as "true" you stated it, substantiate your truth and you can't because you are flat-out LYING (again). But I do find it interesting that you suggest KJ's make sure that they have all the permissions they need to perform publicly, but then act like it's somehow wrong to actually do that. Hmmm..
If you are talking about the time I spent on the phone with Rodney Burge -- when you wrongfully sued him -- and he called me concerned about it, then yes, you'd be correct. But anything beyond that, including getting paid by defendants, is another lie. By the way, I've known Rodney since the 90's on J.O.L.T. Ask him if you think that's a lie... or ask Lonnie.
You didn't ask it as a question you stated it as a fact not asking if I was paid, but asking how much I was paid.
No, you asked me how much I sent, not IF I sent anything.
(1) Just because a person has 7 systems doesn't mean that there is anything illegal going on. Just like Chris Avis. However, if you would have checked the sales records from Sound Choice before all this vocal vomiting, you would have found invoices for 7 of the same $50 custom discs. Now why would I have purchased the same custom disc SEVEN TIMES?.... Hmmm looks suspicious to me.
(2) How does this mean anything at all, unless you're just throwing crap against a wall to see what sticks....
(3) My reduction of operations had nothing to do with you, but you'd like it to. But feel free to check with your cheerleaders that we sold discs to...

(4) Wrong. I began that "vocal campaign" ELEVEN YEARS EARLIER in 1998 on the J.O.L.T. forum right in Kurt's face accusing him wanting "court appointed profits." But I wouldn't expect you to know this since it was a decade before you arrived.
Because you'd probably be doing that illegally. And we all know that I'm not you.
"Entirely possible?" Speculation counsel?
Or "maybe" the moon is made of cheese.
Neither of those option would explain anything because you're just grasping at straws... again.

Self-promotion is marketing. You really should take my advice about business and marketing classes.



You glossed over "I don't believe I ever stated that none of them were pirates"
So you could say 'Nice of you to finally stop denying and start admitting that you "helped pirates" that contacted you'.

I never denied it. You just didn’t like my wording. I will let you go find the quotes to prove otherwise.

Furthermore…..What is so wrong about a pirate going clean? Especially if it is their own choice?

I think it shows a particular coldness in anyone's character to refuse to accept that someone can change (I still hold out hope for you).

Btw…..You are the only person that gave/gives me any real grief about that. If you think that or anything you say has any impact on me…well…..I have called you a narcissist in the past. I stand by that.





Dance all you want. You have no valid reason for not leveraging the net.


I misspoke. I reconciled it a long while back.

You have enough business? Or enough patrons? There can’t be too many of the latter so long as they are paying.

Do you continue to ask me for money because you know I have it and you need it?

We agree – you don’t have to prove (@$%&#!). But until you do, you can’t be trusted. If you can’t be trusted, your words have no value.


The very definition of "bluster"

Posted Wed May 02, 2012 3:19 pm



You have wanted this to be a competition since the beginning.

I have the advantage of time and technology, better tools, better efficiency, and IMO, better business sense. You can't really compete against that.

Well.....there are ways, but you say you don't operate that way (see the trust thing above).

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[/quote](1) Just because a person has 7 systems doesn't mean that there is anything illegal going on. Just like Chris Avis.[/quote]

Except that I removed all doubt by proving I operate above board. You never have.

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