can i get an amen?
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| Author: | toqer [ Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
Shouldn't it be about what we as KJ's want/need? Why should any of us give a flying fluck about what the manu's want. I don't get it. Here's what I want.. -No fear of litigation if I buy your product. -Easily accessible content from any program |
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| Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
can i get an amen?
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| Author: | c. staley [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
HALLE*EFFEN*LUAH! Just remember that the manufacturers need you... you don't need them.... |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
.  Amazing!!!!
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| Author: | timberlea [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
Without manufacturers none of us would be in business - ANY business. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
karaoke newbie wrote: timberlea wrote: Without manufacturers none of us would be in business - ANY business. of course on the other side of the fence you could say without us .... THEY wouldn't be in business either Yes & no. True that kj's did provide the majority of the business originally, but according to BC (former SC studio manager) stated that home market users started making up the higher percentage of users around the mid 2000's - possibly because kj's started hitting the hard drive market hard around that time. I knew of one kj around here that quit buying music & bought a loaded hard drive a few years back & said he hasn't bought anything since 08 - just downloads everything. Not sure if he is still in business or not - haven't seen him in a while. So it's quite possible that is why the kj market shrunk and home market rose. |
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| Author: | c. staley [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
I don't think so Lonman... from what I recall, the analogy was that although KJ's make fewer, but far larger individual purchases, the general public purchases more discs overall by the sheer numbers of purchasers out there. This was during a discussion of the "Performer's Choice" label that was available at retail stores at the time. |
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| Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
If SC had been able to maintain the customer base that kept them producing new karaoke tracks, they would still be in that business, as CB, Stellar, Pocket, and others are. Since piracy didn't put those others out of business, I must assume there were other problems. No customers.....no business. |
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| Author: | jdmeister [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
A KJ purchases a CD+G disk, yet is not permitted to use the disk in his business.. without paying again.. several times.. Microsoft uses that same business model.. You buy server software, you buy client software, yet to connect them, you must yet again, pay to connect the client to the server.. It's a frickin' scam, I say.. |
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| Author: | JimHarrington [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
jdmeister wrote: A KJ purchases a CD+G disk, yet is not permitted to use the disk in his business.. without paying again.. several times.. It shouldn't have to be said again, but I'll say it again for the record. Sound Choice has absolutely no problem with the KJ who purchases a CD+G disc and wants to use that disc in his karaoke business. No further payment or permission is required. If he wants to make a copy of that disc--including copying it to a computer hard drive--for use in his business, then there are rules that have to be followed, or he runs the risk of being sued. |
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| Author: | toqer [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
You got it wrong JD most MS server products come with a 5 pack client access license. You can buy licenses for addition seats. Best way to analogize it is, you're buying a karaoke cd with the right to play it in 5 venues at the same time, and if you want to multirig it in other venues you have to pay for each venue you play it in. This is coming from a guy with an expired MCSE cert. Harryington, Microsoft has no issue with me copying my install CD's to a network share, as long as I don't go over my CAL's. In the case of karaoke CD's, you get 1 CAL per CD. I shouldn't need SC's permission for that at all. |
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| Author: | toqer [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
And going back to my original post, I don't give a flying fluck what you guys think about it either. |
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| Author: | JimHarrington [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
toqer wrote: Harryington, Microsoft has no issue with me copying my install CD's to a network share, as long as I don't go over my CAL's. In the case of karaoke CD's, you get 1 CAL per CD. I shouldn't need SC's permission for that at all. They have their rules; we have ours. |
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| Author: | toqer [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
Again, don't care what you want. This thread isn't to argue with you, because I can give a cluck. |
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| Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
HarringtonLaw wrote: toqer wrote: Harryington, Microsoft has no issue with me copying my install CD's to a network share, as long as I don't go over my CAL's. In the case of karaoke CD's, you get 1 CAL per CD. I shouldn't need SC's permission for that at all. They have their rules; we have ours.  That is the whole point isn't it? Each one of the manus has it's own set of rules as to how, where and when their product can be used. It is rather odd that when I started in the business over 15 years ago none of the manus really cared about explaining, that there were restrictions on using their product. The private market follows the lead of the hosts. When the hosts were disc based the public bought disc, when the hosts went to hard drives the home user also purchased hard drives. Like it or not the hosts drive the market, and for the longest time the manus ignored the hosts and pulled in their huge profits. It was only when those profits dried up did the manus in desperation start leaning on the hosts, since they are the last large viable segment of the manus shrinking pool of customers. This host market it so important for the survival of SC that they don't want to run the illegal hosts out of business they want to make them new customers. SC maintains they are trying to bring order into the chaos. Until we can all come together and develop a consensus as to a solution to the problem of piracy, we are going to have the chaos of this piecemeal approach of every manu setting up their own rules and fees, etc.etc. etc.
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| Author: | Lone Wolf [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
HarringtonLaw wrote: jdmeister wrote: A KJ purchases a CD+G disk, yet is not permitted to use the disk in his business.. without paying again.. several times.. It shouldn't have to be said again, but I'll say it again for the record. Sound Choice has absolutely no problem with the KJ who purchases a CD+G disc and wants to use that disc in his karaoke business. No further payment or permission is required. If he wants to make a copy of that disc--including copying it to a computer hard drive--for use in his business, then there are rules that have to be followed, or he runs the risk of being sued. I thought I read somewhere, (I know Chip has posted the statement), that Kurt said it was OK to make a copy of a disc and use it as long as you archived the original and did not use it. Now you are telling us the rules have changed!!! What is the difference in making a copy of a disc and using it (as Kurt said we could) and copying it to a hard drive. Same difference just a little different media! Sounds like a kids game where the rules change as the game goes on. |
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| Author: | timberlea [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
Rules and laws change all the time as technologies and society changes. Some are added, some repealed, and some amended. Fifteen years ago very few, if any, hosts were using computers. Laws are changed constantly, rules of evidence are changed as technologies change. Dress codes are always varying. |
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| Author: | toqer [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
When many people come together to form a consensus on the rules, it's a democracy. When a select few who put themselves in power make the rules, it's a dictatorship. When the masses decide, "I'VE HAD ENOUGH" they can oust a dictator. A dictator cannot exist without the masses because they are the source of the dictators power. The karaoke market has choices. Tons of them. You can either allow yourself to be ruled by the few, or be strong with the many. Watching the KIAA is like watching a friend go batchit insane on meth. At some point, for my own well being I have to drop my self destructive friends. Either way though timberlea.. Back to the original question, why do you give a flying fluck what a manu wants over your needs? It makes no sense to me at all why anyone who is even remotely a KJ would care. I cared for a time, but that time has passed because I no longer see sane, logical choices being made by the KIAA. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
Lone Wolf wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: jdmeister wrote: A KJ purchases a CD+G disk, yet is not permitted to use the disk in his business.. without paying again.. several times.. It shouldn't have to be said again, but I'll say it again for the record. Sound Choice has absolutely no problem with the KJ who purchases a CD+G disc and wants to use that disc in his karaoke business. No further payment or permission is required. If he wants to make a copy of that disc--including copying it to a computer hard drive--for use in his business, then there are rules that have to be followed, or he runs the risk of being sued. I thought I read somewhere, (I know Chip has posted the statement), that Kurt said it was OK to make a copy of a disc and use it as long as you archived the original and did not use it. Now you are telling us the rules have changed!!! What is the difference in making a copy of a disc and using it (as Kurt said we could) and copying it to a hard drive. Same difference just a little different media! Sounds like a kids game where the rules change as the game goes on. 15 years ago it was ok to smoke inside buildings! I guess they said it was ok then so it must be ok now - even though the rules have changed??? It was said so it must be ok still>?????: AMAZING!!!!!! |
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| Author: | toqer [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do so many people care about what the manu's want? |
You can still smoke in California buildings if there's a consensus amongst employees and customers. Examples would be hookah lounges, cigar shops, etc. Up your way in Portland Oregon there's a pot club that has a karaoke night. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/world-fam ... nabis-cafe They toke it up, sing some tunes, stream it live on the web. Despite laws being pretty well laid out against smoking in the workplace, there are conditions that exist that will allow for it. If enough people say, "Hey, that law or rule is unfair, it's going to put me out of business" and enough people complain about it, exceptions are made. I don't care what KIAA + Harryington think. I think the rules they want to enforce will hurt my business + the entire industry. A lot of others who feel the same way are starting to chime in. |
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