First off, they may never get here. Second, HOW are they going to go to EVERY bar, pub, restaurant, bowling alley, moose, Amvets, VFW, etc, that may offer Karaoke, across this VERY large country we live in?? Does anyone here have ANY idea what an undertaking that would be, and the amount of resources that would take?? To fund such an endeavor would take an unGodly amount of money. The members would be paying for that, THROUGH the NOSE!! Why do you think SC only has, comparatively speaking, a handful of cases that is has settled, or even brought before a judge, in all the YEARS they have been litigating this stuff. KAPA probably won't get very far in the UK, either. Personally, I think this whole discussion is premature. It will never happen.

If they would enlist the help of ASCAP or BMI and such it could be done. If these guys are supposed to keep the bar legal by paying their fees for juke boxes, bands, tv's etc., why can't they enforce legal karaoke?

Of course Chris the same goes for the ABA (Lawyers), the ADA (Dentists), the AMA (Medical Doctors), and just about any other professional association. In none of those professions can you practice without belonging.

Could you imagine what would happen if any of them say "I have my degree, why should I have to belong to your association in order to practice. Now leave me alone and let me do my job. Stop costing me money every year with your foolish and expensive fees."

There is a difference between.....

FUD which is an intentional obfuscation to further ones position and..

In none of those professions can you practice without belonging.

...not knowing all the facts and speaking out of ignorance.

Intentional obfuscation presented as statement of fact to further one's position:


Anyone can locate the correct information (via google.com or wikipedia) within seconds from almost every country on the planet.



I wouldn't call any member here "ignorant" even if technically correct because I believe it's a poor word choice and simply inflammatory, but your mileage may vary.

Carry on.

Let the games begin.....

The point being, and Chippie usually misses the point, is those people need to be certified in order to do their jobs, whether it be in an association or government certified.

They have much more important positions than Karaoke hosts. They HAVE to be certified. The government doesn't care about KJs. The ONLY ones who want to certify KJs are the mfrs. That is more like a carpenter needing to be certified by the Estwing Company in order to work using Estwing hammers.

The point being, and Chippie usually misses the point, is those people need to be certified in order to do their jobs, whether it be in an association or government certified.

I will suggest that if a poll were taken of a large portion of karaoke hosts, that there might be a fair amount of support from KJ's supporting the notion of a "KJ License" to be able to be a karaoke host. I have spoken face to face with a LOT of KJ's in the past 5 years and this very thing has come up quite often. I see it discussed in the DJ world now and then as well.

Most civil ordinances, are based upon "Slippery Slope Logic".

If you do this, that will surely follow.

False on it's face..

Lawyers are trained in slippery slope first.. ethics and maybe morals second and third..

Who make laws? Lawyers.. (Well they are elected, right?)

The system is broken..

I'm surprised that you would put ethics and morals that high on the list--even though for most lawyers, ethical considerations are No. 1.

Here's the thing, though--you want lawyers writing laws. The more involvement non-lawyers have in the process of lawmaking, the easier it is for lawyers to open up loopholes that subvert the entire point of the law. The same goes for contracts. I've yet to see a contract drafted by a non-lawyer that I couldn't get around if it were in my client's interest to do so.

Most civil ordinances, are based upon "Slippery Slope Logic".

Lawyers are trained in slippery slope first.. ethics and maybe morals second and third..

The system is broken..