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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 1:31 pm 
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If you're not familiar with the company name of Recisio, it's because it's more commonly referred to as "Karaoke Version" or their division "KaraFun."

And, once again in a move more reminiscent of earlier times, this source for karaoke tracks has been caught with it's hand in the cookie jar and produced, promoted and sold the most popular song from the Red Peter's collection called "The Closing Song." So if you bought the track from them during the short time it was available, you were duped into supporting a manufacturing-level pirate.

It's no longer for sale on their site because they weren't licensed to produce or sell the song in any form. When caught, their licensing manager offered an insultingly low licensing rate and never mentioned that they also would use (and had already made) the track available on their Karafun streaming service.

#1. They never even attempted to acquire licensing before producing and selling the track.

#2. When asked directly from Red why they had not acquired permission BEFORE producing and selling the track, they acted like they didn't know how to acquire licensing from him or how to contact him for permission. (This is plain B.S. because he is not invisible or unreachable.)

#3. This is the same tactic used by former U.S. producers: Sell the tracks and then offer a pittance for licensing fees if you get caught.

In this case, the omission by the licensing manager that the track was also ALREADY being delivered on their streaming "karafun" site is just unconscionable. This is not "a mistake" on their part, it's intentional pirating.

Even today, piracy is alive and well at the manufacturing level.


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tsk, tsk, tsk...

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suuurrrrre they did....
next thing is the manus will begin suing hosts for buying their music and using it at shows.

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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
suuurrrrre they did....
next thing is the manus will begin suing hosts for buying their music and using it at shows.

You mean like you-know-who?


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And what is the penalty per track for illegal production of copyrighted music?

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SwingcatKurt wrote:
And what is the penalty per track for illegal production of copyrighted music?
Statutory penalty in the U.S. is $150,000 per track.


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And what is the Statute of Limitations? And how long ago did they make these reproductions?

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SwingcatKurt wrote:
And what is the Statute of Limitations? And how long ago did they make these reproductions?
Well they were just released on their site about a month or so ago - so.....

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Very unhappy to hear this. I really thought Recisio was on the up and up, but clearly this was deliberate and willful piracy. One can hope it's an isolated incident. One can hope for world peace in our lifetimes as well. The odds are not good for either.

I've bought nearly 2,000 tracks from them, but who knows how many of those are actually legit now.


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It's difficult to point fingers..
The "Music" and "Copyright" system has been broken for years.

Music publishers have used "Creative Accounting" (For years) to avoid paying royalties.
CD and DVD publishers obtain agreements to "Press" a limited number of product.
This agreement is impossible to verify without someone in the pressing plant.
Who knows how many are pressed. (or burned)
Foreign studios never license content, (China shops have disks @ $1.00 each) and flood the market with fakes.

I quit pressing product after my stuff showed up on the market 30 days after I sold my first shipment.
Yore mileage will vary..


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:04 am 
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jdmeister wrote:
It's difficult to point fingers..
The "Music" and "Copyright" system has been broken for years.

Music publishers have used "Creative Accounting" (For years) to avoid paying royalties.
CD and DVD publishers obtain agreements to "Press" a limited number of product.
This agreement is impossible to verify without someone in the pressing plant.
Who knows how many are pressed. (or burned)
Foreign studios never license content, (China shops have disks @ $1.00 each) and flood the market with fakes.

I quit pressing product after my stuff showed up on the market 30 days after I sold my first shipment.
You're mileage will vary..

It's quite easy in this case to point fingers. They knew it wasn't licensed and that's why they had to pull it. They were specifically told by the writer their offer of after-the-fact-licensing was denied.
It was never a pressed disc - it was a download or streamed.

In any case, it's still impossible to un-ring a bell.


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Greetings, I’m new here and wanted some insight if possible. I want to have live streams on either Facebook or YouTube and they would be called my karaoke jam sessions. I’m NOT trying to get paid or run advertisements or monitize or anything. I make resin jewelry and tinkers and just adding singing to the mix to show my followers my other talents in the arts.

There shouldn’t be an issue correct? I’m not trying to get money, I let the audience know it’s a karaoke session and what the artists and songs are. I also add my own style to the mix as well.

Click here to take a look at the first one I did. Constructive critique is welcomed.
https://youtu.be/kzJz8yFPggM


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