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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:01 pm 
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I pointed out that I had a reputation as a KJ, and if I started to selectively keep someone from singing, word will spread, and then others would not want to attend my shows.

The only thing that would affect your reputation would be from people saying: "We don't want to go to his show. He's the one with the bad singers".

Listen, I think that before cancelling karaoke, the owner was trying to be fair. He gave you an option, which you refused. You cared more about the one singer who was detrimental to the bar, than everyone else who came out to sing. Wouldn't you rather have 1 disappointed person than 20? So, the night was ruined because of one person.

Again, from a business perspective, the bar owner did the right thing.


I disagree with you here. As others have said, if the Owner had a problem with that one customer, he should have approached him rather than putting that on me. As far as a reputation goes, it doesn't matter whether you are a good singer or a bad singer. Karaoke is there for everyone. When a participant gets skipped over in a rotation, that person gets upset (I know I do). People who get skipped over, tend to talk to others about it at a later date ("I don't want to go to that KJ's show because he played favorites with others and skipped me in the rotation.", or, "That KJ takes bribes and skips people.")... (again... I know I have spread the word to others when it came to attending a show where the KJ was not fair). So YES!!!! Word travels, and thus reputations are affected.


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I pointed out that I had a reputation as a KJ, and if I started to selectively keep someone from singing, word will spread, and then others would not want to attend my shows.

The only thing that would affect your reputation would be from people saying: "We don't want to go to his show. He's the one with the bad singers".

Listen, I think that before cancelling karaoke, the owner was trying to be fair. He gave you an option, which you refused. You cared more about the one singer who was detrimental to the bar, than everyone else who came out to sing. Wouldn't you rather have 1 disappointed person than 20? So, the night was ruined because of one person.

Again, from a business perspective, the bar owner did the right thing.


I disagree with you here. As others have said, if the Owner had a problem with that one customer, he should have approached him rather than putting that on me. As far as a reputation goes, it doesn't matter whether you are a good singer or a bad singer. Karaoke is there for everyone. When a participant gets skipped over in a rotation, that person gets upset (I know I do). People who get skipped over, tend to talk to others about it at a later date ("I don't want to go to that KJ's show because he played favorites with others and skipped me in the rotation.", or, "That KJ takes bribes and skips people.")... (again... I know I have spread the word to others when it came to attending a show where the KJ was not fair). So YES!!!! Word travels, and thus reputations are affected.


cueball,, am I on the right track here? or am I just out in the night with my input?


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I'm interested in the topic as well. I've wondered if we could create a system where unpopular singers could be weighted, based upon audience interest, so that poor singers at least get to sing less.

There is a benefit I have noticed from bad singers, I've seen it embolden OK singers who felt that if that person didn't get rotten tomatoes, then surely they were passable. So this was a positive which came from it.


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cueball,, am I on the right track here? or am I just out in the night with my input?

I think we're on the same page. Alan just seems to have a very extreme point of view.


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cueball,, am I on the right track here? or am I just out in the night with my input?

I think we're on the same page. Alan just seems to have a very extreme point of view.

I don't think that there's anything extreme about it. I'm just being real. And the reality is...

A person who is driving customers away because of his/her singing... should not be allowed to sing. A person like this is only hurting the bar, your customers, and your show. And that's the bottom line.

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I don't think that there's anything extreme about it. I'm just being real. And the reality is...

A person who is driving customers away because of his/her singing... should not be allowed to sing. A person like this is only hurting the bar, your customers, and your show. And that's the bottom line.




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As I have said, not everyone should sing. If you're too stupid to realize that your singing sucks and that you're turning people off thereby creating a negative experience, then the host should take action....

Now THAT is just insulting to everyone, to refer to some random person who can't sing as being stupid for getting up and trying to have some fun.

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... Nobody wants to listen to a drunk, a screamer, or someone shouting obscenities looking for attention. It is NOT providing a positive fun experience. These people should definitely not be allowed to sing....

AGREED!!!!!


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...So, let me say once again...

If you suck at singing, then you shouldn't sing in public. We don't want to hear you and you're really making a fool out of yourself.

If hosts were honest with the bad singers, it would be much appreciated by everyone. Tell them: "hey you're a great guy but singing might not be your thing".

Again, it's not for everyone

I don't know of a single KJ who would tell one of the participants that their singing sucks, and they should just stop trying!!! It's a totally different thing if they're just SHOUTING or singing/shouting/saying obscenities over the mic (when they aren't in the lyrics of the song), regardless of whether they are drunk or not. If the obscenities are in the lyrics, then it's your own fault for allowing the song to be sung in the first place (if you felt it was going to cause such distress amongst the Management/Staff/Customers).



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Bottom line, bad singers should not sing. I have not stopped anyone from singing, unless drunk or stupid, or if you dropped a mic, but I would prefer along with other singers, customers, and bar owners than they don't sing.
You would prefer, but as you just said, you are NOT practicing what you preach... THUS, you are just expressing an extremist point of view.


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You would prefer, but as you just said, you are NOT practicing what you preach... THUS, you are just expressing an extremist point of view.

I'm not practicing what I preach because at this point, I really don't have any singers so bad that they're driving customers away. Yes, like any other show, I do get my share of bad singers. And while I would "prefer" not to listen to them, they are tolerable. And as I've said, good or bad, everyone (with exceptions stated above) is allowed to sing at my shows.

But mark my words, if I had a singer that was causing customers to leave, they would not be singing at my shows, period!

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No one wants to listen to a bad singer. No one. It's like scratching your nails on a chalkboard.


Again, no. A thousand times no.

* In some cases, people hope to follow the bad singer, because they sound better by comparison
* In some cases, people embrace the bad singer, because karaoke is not all that serious, and the bad singer can be fun in a so-bad-it's-good way
* In some cases, people are mean and petty and awful, and like to watch people fail (some of the highest rated reality competition show episodes are the absolutely ghastly audition ones)
* In some cases, the terrible singer wins the crowd over just by doing it

I would take a terrible, absolutely awful singer over someone with a great voice but a crap attitude any day of the week.


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I would take a terrible, absolutely awful singer over someone with a great voice but a crap attitude any day of the week.

Seriously?? So, let me get this straight... you're saying you would rather listen to a bad singer over a good singer. Is this correct?

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that for the rest of the world, the opposite is true. I really don't know anybody that would rather listen to a terrible singer over a great singer. But now I do.

Putting attitudes aside, there's the pure "joy" factor of listening to someone who can sing, adding to the entertainment value of your show. I look forward to hearing the great singers. So does everyone else in the bar including, non singers, servers, and owners.

I think I'm done with this. I said all there is to be said, but let me leave you with this...

Everyone has something they are good at. And that's what they should focus on. Just because you have a voice doesn't make you a singer. At least there are people who are smart enough to acknowledge this...

So many times when I've walked up to people in the bar asking them if they'd like to sing, the response I usually get is: I can't sing. I have a terrible voice. Do you want me to drive everybody away?

At least these folks are smart enough to realize that singing isn't for them and that they have a terrible voice. I applaud them.

Again, "if you can't do something right, don't do it at all". That includes singing.

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Alan, it all comes down to attitude, that same great singer would also constantly be telling you how to run your board even though you have it set perfectly fine for their voice. Would be trying to harass you into allowing them to skip the rotation and sing again before it's their turn while that bad singer is totally willing to wait out his turn and assume that you are trying your best to make him sing tolerable. So yes I would rather have a bad singer over the total diva of the great singer. Again that is not the norm that I am used to having at my shows or any of the shows that I have attended in my area. Most are fair to great singers. My friend, who proves the point that everyone has a song or two that they actually sound good on, is the only one that I know of that if he strays from those songs that he is good at would drive people to leave supposedly, I have never seen that happen since I knew him.

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Alan B wrote:
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I would take a terrible, absolutely awful singer over someone with a great voice but a crap attitude any day of the week.

Seriously?? So, let me get this straight... you're saying you would rather listen to a bad singer over a good singer. Is this correct?

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that for the rest of the world, the opposite is true. I really don't know anybody that would rather listen to a terrible singer over a great singer. But now I do.

Putting attitudes aside, there's the pure "joy" factor of listening to someone who can sing, adding to the entertainment value of your show. I look forward to hearing the great singers. So does everyone else in the bar including, non singers, servers, and owners.

I think I'm done with this. I said all there is to be said, but let me leave you with this...

Everyone has something they are good at. And that's what they should focus on. Just because you have a voice doesn't make you a singer. At least there are people who are smart enough to acknowledge this...

So many times when I've walked up to people in the bar asking them if they'd like to sing, the response I usually get is: I can't sing. I have a terrible voice. Do you want me to drive everybody away?

At least these folks are smart enough to realize that singing isn't for them and that they have a terrible voice. I applaud them.

Again, "if you can't do something right, don't do it at all". That includes singing.

kick out the bad singers and tell us how it goes.

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Seriously?? So, let me get this straight... you're saying you would rather listen to a bad singer over a good singer. Is this correct?


No. Read exactly what I said. Bad singer great attitude over great singer bad attitude. Obviously, the ideal is great singer great attitude.

It's like saying people hate watching their kids' sporting events because their kids aren't professional players.


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You want to hear a professional singer, get tickets to their concerts. You don't care if they are mediocre at worst, go to karaoke. It's what karaoke is all about. I have yet to see a bar clear out for a lousy singer and I have seen lousy singers. It's Karaoke, no one expects to hear Steve Perry at Karaoke. Sometimes you get pretty close but everyone who goes to a karaoke show expects imperfection at the worst.

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Seriously?? So, let me get this straight... you're saying you would rather listen to a bad singer over a good singer. Is this correct?


No. Read exactly what I said. Bad singer great attitude over great singer bad attitude. Obviously, the ideal is great singer great attitude.

It's like saying people hate watching their kids' sporting events because their kids aren't professional players.



8) The whole point to non professional anything is PARTICIPATION, getting everyone involved and providing entertainment, if you are a host that is job number one.


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