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What do you think of the idea of adding artist / band logos to the book?
Yes 37%  37%  [ 10 ]
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not for sure 19%  19%  [ 5 ]
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I think it adds interest but--and I hate to even bring it up--are the logos copyrighted/trademarked or are they okay to use?

Who gives a (@$%&#!)!! Let's stop with this prim and proper legal bullshit! Enough is enough already!


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Alan B wrote:
leopard lizard wrote:
I think it adds interest but--and I hate to even bring it up--are the logos copyrighted/trademarked or are they okay to use?

Who gives a <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span>!! Let's stop with this prim and proper legal bullshit! Enough is enough already!


Nice... Real nice Alan. And right after you just got through telling me off in another topic thread...
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Calm down Cue! Everyone has a right to voice their opinion whether you agree with it or not.


So, does that right also include the right for someone else to post a question (even about a subject which many feel has been talked to death)?... not to mention the fact that LL's comment was made 1 month ago (and 2 pages back in this thread).... But real nice of you to bring it to everyone's attention again anyway.


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Alan B wrote:
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I think it adds interest but--and I hate to even bring it up--are the logos copyrighted/trademarked or are they okay to use?

Who gives a <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span>!! Let's stop with this prim and proper legal bullshit! Enough is enough already!

Cool, since it's ok, i'll rename my company Firelight - logo is already made and ready! :twisted: :roll:

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Do what you want, Alan. But if you check it out you will see that the logos are indeed the creative work of someone and are copyrighted/trademarked. In fact there are places where you can download the logos but there are terms of use (personal use only) and some charge fees. If they charge to use them at some places then perhaps they aren't just free for the taking?

I guess this goes along with Chris's thread on what is bugging him. If you had worked hard to create something that was a success wouldn't you want control over how it was used and to be compensated for your work? Why is it prim and proper NOT to want to take from others without their permission? Not everything is in the Public Domain.

I'm not saying Gemini is doing anything hurtful. For all I know some may like the free advertising. But the fact remains that those logos are someone's intellectual property and so far everywhere I've found them there have been requirements for permission to use them. No one has to take it seriously but for those who care, at least the point should be brought up so that they are aware.


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Brian A wrote:
btw, some graphics are my design, some designed by a pro-graphic designer & others are public domain.

Just to be clear, I am very well aware of the copyright/trademark graphics. The Disney graphics were not from Disney per se. Not from the very powerful & well-funded team of attorneys. They’re from the old Corel cd clipart collection sold for public use (purchased early ’90’s) & now public domain. The middle Disney logo was from the cd jewel case from their karaoke series also being sold to the public (& what a better way to advertise & pump up their sales).

Designs I created were from Fancy Fonts cd collection, also sold to the public, the rest, i.e., 2 ladies holding the microphone, & the dj behind the booth I paid a graphic artist to design it for me. I even posed to capture my facial likeness, headset & all. The young girl singing – just my wishful imaginary thoughts. :lol:

If none of these are ‘kosher’, they can send me a cease & desist letter. I will be more than glad to comply. :wink:

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Do what you want, Alan. But if you check it out you will see that the logos are indeed the creative work of someone and are copyrighted/trademarked. In fact there are places where you can download the logos but there are terms of use (personal use only) and some charge fees. If they charge to use them at some places then perhaps they aren't just free for the taking?

I guess this goes along with Chris's thread on what is bugging him. If you had worked hard to create something that was a success wouldn't you want control over how it was used and to be compensated for your work? Why is it prim and proper NOT to want to take from others without their permission? Not everything is in the Public Domain.

I'm not saying Gemini is doing anything hurtful. For all I know some may like the free advertising. But the fact remains that those logos are someone's intellectual property and so far everywhere I've found them there have been requirements for permission to use them. No one has to take it seriously but for those who care, at least the point should be brought up so that they are aware.


the idea was presented is all...I feel it has been taken way ..if you don't want to do it don't ..make up your own logos..there are a thousand ways of doing it....my god...cant people make suggestion without someone everytime legal this and legal that...give me a break.

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Do what you want, Alan. But if you check it out you will see that the logos are indeed the creative work of someone and are copyrighted/trademarked. In fact there are places where you can download the logos but there are terms of use (personal use only) and some charge fees. If they charge to use them at some places then perhaps they aren't just free for the taking?

I guess this goes along with Chris's thread on what is bugging him. If you had worked hard to create something that was a success wouldn't you want control over how it was used and to be compensated for your work? Why is it prim and proper NOT to want to take from others without their permission? Not everything is in the Public Domain.

I'm not saying Gemini is doing anything hurtful. For all I know some may like the free advertising. But the fact remains that those logos are someone's intellectual property and so far everywhere I've found them there have been requirements for permission to use them. No one has to take it seriously but for those who care, at least the point should be brought up so that they are aware.


the idea was presented is all...I feel it has been taken way ..if you don't want to do it don't ..make up your own logos..there are a thousand ways of doing it....my god...cant people make suggestion without someone everytime legal this and legal that...give me a break.

You're right. And that's why I flew off the handle. It seems that everything has to turn into a legal debate.


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Do what you want, Alan. But if you check it out you will see that the logos are indeed the creative work of someone and are copyrighted/trademarked. In fact there are places where you can download the logos but there are terms of use (personal use only) and some charge fees. If they charge to use them at some places then perhaps they aren't just free for the taking?

I guess this goes along with Chris's thread on what is bugging him. If you had worked hard to create something that was a success wouldn't you want control over how it was used and to be compensated for your work? Why is it prim and proper NOT to want to take from others without their permission? Not everything is in the Public Domain.

I'm not saying Gemini is doing anything hurtful. For all I know some may like the free advertising. But the fact remains that those logos are someone's intellectual property and so far everywhere I've found them there have been requirements for permission to use them. No one has to take it seriously but for those who care, at least the point should be brought up so that they are aware.

OK, point taken.


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btw, some graphics are my design, some designed by a pro-graphic designer & others are public domain.

Just to be clear, I am very well aware of the copyright/trademark graphics. The Disney graphics were not from Disney per se. Not from the very powerful & well-funded team of attorneys. They’re from the old Corel cd clipart collection sold for public use (purchased early ’90’s) & now public domain. The middle Disney logo was from the cd jewel case from their karaoke series also being sold to the public (& what a better way to advertise & pump up their sales).

Designs I created were from Fancy Fonts cd collection, also sold to the public, the rest, i.e., 2 ladies holding the microphone, & the dj behind the booth I paid a graphic artist to design it for me. I even posed to capture my facial likeness, headset & all. The young girl singing – just my wishful imaginary thoughts. :lol:

If none of these are ‘kosher’, they can send me a cease & desist letter. I will be more than glad to comply. :wink:

Brian, I think that I'll use the Disney Font for my logo. Thanks for a great idea... Oops, is that legal?? OMG?


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Lonman wrote:
Alan B wrote:
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I think it adds interest but--and I hate to even bring it up--are the logos copyrighted/trademarked or are they okay to use?

Who gives a <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span>!! Let's stop with this prim and proper legal bullshit! Enough is enough already!

Cool, since it's ok, i'll rename my company Firelight - logo is already made and ready! :twisted: :roll:


I just checked - firelightkaraoke.net - is available to register. And a bunch of other variations too.....

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Alan B wrote:
Brian A wrote:
Brian A wrote:
btw, some graphics are my design, some designed by a pro-graphic designer & others are public domain.

Just to be clear, I am very well aware of the copyright/trademark graphics. The Disney graphics were not from Disney per se. Not from the very powerful & well-funded team of attorneys. They’re from the old Corel cd clipart collection sold for public use (purchased early ’90’s) & now public domain. The middle Disney logo was from the cd jewel case from their karaoke series also being sold to the public (& what a better way to advertise & pump up their sales).

Designs I created were from Fancy Fonts cd collection, also sold to the public, the rest, i.e., 2 ladies holding the microphone, & the dj behind the booth I paid a graphic artist to design it for me. I even posed to capture my facial likeness, headset & all. The young girl singing – just my wishful imaginary thoughts. :lol:

If none of these are ‘kosher’, they can send me a cease & desist letter. I will be more than glad to comply. :wink:

Brian, I think that I'll use the Disney Font for my logo. Thanks for a great idea... Oops, is that legal?? OMG?

Alan, was that a little petulant snide remark? You should check my post again. No disney fonts were used. The only thing associated with Disney was the logo from their cd jewel case karaoke series. Same as others here posting 8125 cd jewel case with sc logo. No different than other posts displaying SC & CB certificates with logos as per their certification. I wouldn’t doubt if those certificates are also displayed @ their venue & karaoke books. Am I infringing copyright trademark by using their karaoke logo off their cd? Do they care??

And if they do care, surely they’ll bring it to my attention, the most contemptible person that I am (which probably falls under ‘Fair Use Act’ anyway). I researched this. They will start by asking me nicely to cease & desist, comply within 15 days & inform them regarding my compliance; or legal action will follow.
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Who gives a <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span>!! Let's stop with this prim and proper legal bullshit! Enough is enough already!

“Enough is enough already”! Your word, not mine. Jeeez! :roll:

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Brian, I think that I'll use the Disney Font for my logo. Thanks for a great idea... Oops, is that legal?? OMG?

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I just checked - firelightkaraoke.net - is available to register. And a bunch of other variations too.....-Chris

:o :o :P :P Neh Neh Neh Neh Neh Neh!!

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Brian, I think that I'll use the Disney Font for my logo. Thanks for a great idea... Oops, is that legal?? OMG?

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I just checked - firelightkaraoke.net - is available to register. And a bunch of other variations too.....-Chris

:o :o :P :P Neh Neh Neh Neh Neh Neh!!

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8) Cool! 8)

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My daughters school used to have Disney characters painted on the side of the building (a project by the 5th & 6th graders). They DID get a cease and desist order and had to repaint over it. Dumbest thing I ever saw!

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My daughters school used to have Disney characters painted on the side of the building (a project by the 5th & 6th graders). They DID get a cease and desist order and had to repaint over it. Dumbest thing I ever saw!

It's not only dumb, it's a shame.


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My daughters school used to have Disney characters painted on the side of the building (a project by the 5th & 6th graders). They DID get a cease and desist order and had to repaint over it. Dumbest thing I ever saw!

It's not only dumb, it's a shame.

Yep, but that is the legalities of owning a trademark & copyright! You have that right!!

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Came across the old post and was wondering how many of you since have started using art work in you books..now????

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Nope. Books are big enough without adding needless logos

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I may steal your idea, pending you did not copyright it. Lol
You can't copyright "an idea."

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