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Bazza
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:57 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: hpc wrote: Roxbox Karaoke File Converter is a great ripper. They used to have a free trial but must have been getting ripped off (people download the trial rip their discs and don't need it anymore). Still well worth the money. $60 is a bit steep for two discs. Yeah, but when you figure up how many songs you are getting for pennies per cut........
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:07 pm |
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Bazza wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: hpc wrote: Roxbox Karaoke File Converter is a great ripper. They used to have a free trial but must have been getting ripped off (people download the trial rip their discs and don't need it anymore). Still well worth the money. $60 is a bit steep for two discs. Yeah, but when you figure up how many songs you are getting for pennies per cut........ It'll have to wait, for now.
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MadMusicOne
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:08 pm |
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote: wasnt talking about the background, that has always been there for most software. if you look at the lyrics themselves, they put in a "vitrual resolution upgrade" smothing out the edges to make it look smoother instead of the blocky CD_G norm, and added a drop shaddow and color gradient on the letters themselves making them almost look 3D. no biggie, just sharing a feature i thought was cool. ...I agree it's pretty cool. At first glance, I thought I had made some adjustment myself since I've only had this player for a few weeks and still experimenting with it.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 2:34 am |
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there was a thread about looking for a new format for the high def times we are in, but if the software can remove the jagged 8bit edges and make it smooth like MP4, it may not be necessary to change formats.
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chrisavis
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 5:02 am |
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I long for the Pioneer days..... I would love and even invest in a karaoke manufacturer that produced videos behind the lyrics like Pioneer did. (TIC)
Seriously though....I do miss the videos. There is a certain nostalgic aspect to it and a lot of humor in figuring out just what the hell the video they produced has to do with the song.
I mentioned in another thread that I really like the text smoothness, wipes, and format of the karaoke-version.com productions. If you have not seen one, go to their site and pick on of their recent songs. you can watch a sample online. Pretty slick.
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exweedfarmer
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:10 pm |
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote: there was a thread about looking for a new format for the high def times we are in, but if the software can remove the jagged 8bit edges and make it smooth like MP4, it may not be necessary to change formats. What's an 8bit edge?
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chrisavis
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:31 pm |
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The blocky 8bit Graphics during the songs.
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exweedfarmer
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 1:23 pm |
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Is 8bit edge a new term for jagged graphics? Not a term I've heard before and I'm kinda out of the loop these days.
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hpc
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 1:57 pm |
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If I remember correctly the block graphics or 8 bit pictures are the results of being put on a cd in an unused layer of the disc - sub codes R through W to be exact (sub codes R through W were used by the player for control codes - the karaoke info was embedded in this area). This only allowed a very small amount of information to be used to display the graphics. This is the same area as CD-Text discs write the title and artist info. Obviously there have always been discs that could display smoother graphics for example VCD's and DVD but they read discs a little differently and I believe they required a different type of laser to read. Also I believe that the tracks were even closer together. If you have ever used both VCD and CDG's discs at a show you know that a very small scratch that still is reasonably playable on a CDG will stop a VCD dead in it's tracks. CDG's were designed to played on a regular CD Player or a CDG player. This is all from memory and parts might be wrong but it is something similar to this.
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exweedfarmer
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 8:38 am |
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hpc wrote: If I remember correctly the block graphics or 8 bit pictures are the results of being put on a cd in an unused layer of the disc - sub codes R through W to be exact (sub codes R through W were used by the player for control codes - the karaoke info was embedded in this area). This only allowed a very small amount of information to be used to display the graphics. This is the same area as CD-Text discs write the title and artist info. Obviously there have always been discs that could display smoother graphics for example VCD's and DVD but they read discs a little differently and I believe they required a different type of laser to read. Also I believe that the tracks were even closer together. If you have ever used both VCD and CDG's discs at a show you know that a very small scratch that still is reasonably playable on a CDG will stop a VCD dead in it's tracks. CDG's were designed to played on a regular CD Player or a CDG player. This is all from memory and parts might be wrong but it is something similar to this. Well, er, um....close but no cigar. CDG uses six bits of the timing byte (called sub-code by those who want to make it sound mysterious) because the first two are used for other stuff. It uses twenty four of these bytes to write a block of 6X12 pixels to a 300X216 pixel area in two colors. If you want to add another color you have to re-write the block. Of course, 300X216 is a little bigger than a postage stamp on a modern display so when the computer blows the picture up you get jagged edges. I just wanted to know if "8bit" edge is the new buzz word for the jaggies.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:10 am |
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:17 pm |
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exweedfarmer wrote: hpc wrote: If I remember correctly the block graphics or 8 bit pictures are the results of being put on a cd in an unused layer of the disc - sub codes R through W to be exact (sub codes R through W were used by the player for control codes - the karaoke info was embedded in this area). This only allowed a very small amount of information to be used to display the graphics. This is the same area as CD-Text discs write the title and artist info. Obviously there have always been discs that could display smoother graphics for example VCD's and DVD but they read discs a little differently and I believe they required a different type of laser to read. Also I believe that the tracks were even closer together. If you have ever used both VCD and CDG's discs at a show you know that a very small scratch that still is reasonably playable on a CDG will stop a VCD dead in it's tracks. CDG's were designed to played on a regular CD Player or a CDG player. This is all from memory and parts might be wrong but it is something similar to this. Well, er, um....close but no cigar. CDG uses six bits of the timing byte (called sub-code by those who want to make it sound mysterious) because the first two are used for other stuff. It uses twenty four of these bytes to write a block of 6X12 pixels to a 300X216 pixel area in two colors. If you want to add another color you have to re-write the block. Of course, 300X216 is a little bigger than a postage stamp on a modern display so when the computer blows the picture up you get jagged edges. I just wanted to know if "8bit" edge is the new buzz word for the jaggies. Is this the stuff I call "confeiti? (When all those pixels don't change and remain on the screen, rendering the words virtually unreadable after about 3 or 4 screens?)
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Bazza
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:34 pm |
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Here's your 8-Bit edge graphics.  Attachment:
8-bit-mario.jpg [ 52.73 KiB | Viewed 946 times ]
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:14 pm |
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Kandar01 wrote: Is this the stuff I call "confeiti? (When all those pixels don't change and remain on the screen, rendering the words virtually unreadable after about 3 or 4 screens?) Confeiti is a good word for it but most folks here call them artifacts. They don't go away because in most cases the karaoke file changes colors based on the color already in that space so once there's an error it stays until a screen refresh is called or the song ends.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:30 am |
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exweedfarmer wrote: Kandar01 wrote: Is this the stuff I call "confeiti? (When all those pixels don't change and remain on the screen, rendering the words virtually unreadable after about 3 or 4 screens?) Confeiti is a good word for it but most folks here call them artifacts. They don't go away because in most cases the karaoke file changes colors based on the color already in that space so once there's an error it stays until a screen refresh is called or the song ends. Thank You for filing me in. I always wondered what caused that.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:23 am |
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Everyone has their favorite and the best software is the one that works for YOU. That being said, my personal preference is Compuhost. It is pricey but in my opinion, worth it. I used Karma for a while, but I had it crash on me several times, and then stop working altogether. Their tech support was very rude, to the point of being downright nasty. (called me an idiot!) I make my living as a KJ and can't afford to have a program quit in the middle of a job. Another very good program, that is inexpensive is Sax & Dottys Show Presenter. Not a lot of fancy features, but very stable.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:18 pm |
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karaokecash wrote: Everyone has their favorite and the best software is the one that works for YOU. That being said, my personal preference is Compuhost. It is pricey but in my opinion, worth it. I used Karma for a while, but I had it crash on me several times, and then stop working altogether. Their tech support was very rude, to the point of being downright nasty. (called me an idiot!) I make my living as a KJ and can't afford to have a program quit in the middle of a job. Another very good program, that is inexpensive is Sax & Dottys Show Presenter. Not a lot of fancy features, but very stable. Whatever is causing the crash is probably not the application. If you actually were an idiot (not saying that you are) what proof of the condition would you accept? Try using a operating system that isn't basically a big web browser.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:59 pm |
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exweedfarmer wrote: Whatever is causing the crash is probably not the application. If you actually were an idiot (not saying that you are) what proof of the condition would you accept? Other karaoke programs crashing the system?
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 10:03 am |
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exweedfarmer wrote: karaokecash wrote: Everyone has their favorite and the best software is the one that works for YOU. That being said, my personal preference is Compuhost. It is pricey but in my opinion, worth it. I used Karma for a while, but I had it crash on me several times, and then stop working altogether. Their tech support was very rude, to the point of being downright nasty. (called me an idiot!) I make my living as a KJ and can't afford to have a program quit in the middle of a job. Another very good program, that is inexpensive is Sax & Dottys Show Presenter. Not a lot of fancy features, but very stable. Whatever is causing the crash is probably not the application. If you actually were an idiot (not saying that you are) what proof of the condition would you accept? Try using a operating system that isn't basically a big web browser. I am not recommending one program over another, only telling you what I use and why. If Karma works for you, by all means use it. My system far exceeds their minimum requirements. It is a dedicated laptop for music. There is no antivirus or other programs running in the background as I only connect to the internet to download the latest security updates from Microsoft. I use two laptops, one for DJing and one for karaoke, (although both have a DJ program and Compuhost on them), and one has Karma. This way there is nothing running in the background. I finally did get things sorta straightened out with Latshaw Systems. I got Karma to run by re-installing Windows. It is the third time this has happened. It just stops loading. I am running XP Pro. They said to try Windows 7, so I'll do that and let you know if it helps.
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 10:06 am |
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mckyj57 wrote: exweedfarmer wrote: Whatever is causing the crash is probably not the application. If you actually were an idiot (not saying that you are) what proof of the condition would you accept? Other karaoke programs crashing the system? No. I don't have any problems with any other software.
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